Land Reclamation and Climate Change

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    Climate change is mostly nonsense. What's changing the weather is geo engineering. They are spray chemicals/ heavy metals into the sky and use radio frequencies also modify the whether.
    Video is about 42 minutes long so if you don't have time to watch it I guess you don't but if you want to know the truth then it will be worth your time.
     
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    GeoEngineering Watch
    CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE
    Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence. These sources may be untrustworthy for credible/verifiable information, therefore fact checking and further investigation is recommended on a per article basis when obtaining information from these sources. See all Conspiracy-Pseudoscience sources.

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    Florida used to be twice it's current size. It lost all that land long before SUVs.
     
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    In Post #25, I attached a National Geographic link. Note that they cite Mean Sea Level for their statistics. Mean Sea Level is much more reliable, because there are so many natural occurrences that can affect sea level in a specific area.
     
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    He's half right. Rising temperatures increases the amount of farm able land, where temperatures were previously too cold.

    And it's quite possible for deserts to "green" while CO2 levels increase.

    However where exactly he gets that deserts are "greening" is beyond me. I'm only aware of a few select areas reclaimed by modern techniques.
     
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    Lol, boy doesn't that sound "uneducated". How exactly do you educate a post? Lolol

    Really dude, unless you're just out to make up for some of your own insecurities, there is no point in prefacing points with insults,direct or indirect. People don't want to listen to whatever follows such petulance.
     
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    Learn something new everyday and it was only 10,217 years ago



    http://www.awesomeflorida.com/florida-history.htm




    10,000BC Nomadic tribes reach the area. The ice age is ending. Land area is nearly twice its current size due to a lower sea level caused by much of the ocean's waters still frozen in polar ice caps
     
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    I can make a website too and claim whatever is pseudoscience.
     
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    Some folks are alarmed that ice melts when it is warm during an inter-glacial.

    Interesting point. I believe it was only 3c cooler at the equator during the last glaciation.
     
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    Well since you ignored the "Mean Sea Level" link that I attached, you really have nothing to say to my response.

    http://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/sea-level-rise/
     
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    There were plenty of others that said the same thing. I just chose this one.
     
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    That doesn't mean it's true in fact, just from history so called experts were proven wrong. For example smoking was considered healthy and many doctors recommended it.
    There was broscience about eating every 2 to 3 hours or your metabolism will be lower which proved to be wrong since there are people fasting 16 hours daily and able to lose weight. The reason for this myth was from food companies and companies that sold supplements. If you need to eat every 2 to 3 hours it's difficult to do that if you're working so people would buy products to replace meals.
    If you follow the money with climate change you will see that it's bs. Climate change is to tax us, the proof is carbon tax. I guess if you're fine with paying more taxes, then you're the one should pay more taxes not people like me. If government was concerned about carbon they would ban consumption of meat because raising live stock is a huge contributing factor to carbon emissions.
     
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    Two percent of climatologists agree with your assessment.

    http://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/sea-level-rise/

    Core samples, tide gauge readings, and, most recently, satellite measurements tell us that over the past century, the Global Mean Sea Level (GMSL) has risen by 4 to 8 inches (10 to 20 centimeters). However, the annual rate of rise over the past 20 years has been 0.13 inches (3.2 millimeters) a year, roughly twice the average speed of the preceding 80 years.

    Over the past century, the burning of fossil fuels and other human and natural activities has released enormous amounts of heat-trapping gases into the atmosphere. These emissions have caused the Earth's surface temperature to rise, and the oceans absorb about 80 percent of this additional heat.
     
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    That doesn't mean it's true. There are plenty of cases where majority of scientists were wrong. These days it's money motivated not science, the health industry is a good example. Scientist provide studies that help prove the claims of a company. Green energy is a HUGE business.
    A good example is a scientist discovered quais crystals. Pretty much every scientist told he was dumb and disgrace to the team. He fought for 30 years until another scientist decided to take a look at it. Most people could be wrong and a few could be right of course it could be the other way around but you're not being logical.
     
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    You've been watching too much FOX News. There is a concerted, very well-funded effort by the fossil fuel industry to implant doubt on the climate issues. They are funding a number of organizations. The Heartland Institute (Koch Brothers) is one. I won't post the links, but feel free to Google Heartland Institute Climate Change Doubt. You will discover some links to internal e-mails that discusses the Climate Change, and the doubt principal. It's a page directly from the tobacco industry strategy of the '50s and '60s. And there are many others.
     
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    Fossil fuel also funds Universities, if you really think funding for deniers even comes close to funding for the AGW I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

    BTW fossil fuel was against Trump pulling out of the Paris Accord.


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    And if you think fossil fuel industry did not run a disinformation campaign the I have a Bridge over Sydney Harbour you might be interested in
     
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    Prove it, do I see commercials or bill boards saying climate change don't exist by the fossil fuel industry?

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    Lindzen - the DENIER's HERO. Lindzen charged Oil and Coal operations $2500 per day for his services. He's part of the Cato Institute, which receives support from Exxon. He has obviously jumped ship, selling out to the big money fossil fuel lobby.

    And he and a group of scientists, representing the 2% of climatologist deniers, wrote Trump, asking him to back out of the Paris Accord.
     
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    No lindzen is part of the 97%, he knows man has some effect on the climate.


    Why are you trying to smear him?





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    http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/...ving/worldwide-giving-report/higher-education


     
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    He's a highly paid pundit for the fossil fuel industry. In addition to receiving $2500 per day from oil and gas operations for his services, we have the following:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/climate-nexus/lindzen-cites-debunked-science_b_6812356.html

    Lindzen’s arguments are a greatest-hits of climate denial, repeatedly and effectively disproved for years. He uses these easily dismissed arguments to defend what’s left of the academic integrity of Wei-Hock “Willie” Soon against questions raised by members of Congress, who heard testimony from Soon without disclosure that he was being paid by fossil-fuel interests.

    Lindzen’s writing contained multiple errors or omissions. He:

    • Ignored the accuracy of climate models over the long term
    • Confused the impact of the sun on observed warming, long studied and long ago disregarded
    • Dismissed multiple lines of evidence by claiming clouds would offset warming
    • Glossed over the egregious breach of ethics in Soon’s lack of disclosure of over $1 million in funding from fossil fuel interests
    • Mischaracterized as threatening an attempt to identify improper industry influence on studies and Congressional testimony

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/climate-nexus/lindzen-cites-debunked-science_b_6812356.html
     
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    Try 5 to 6 million over 10 years....

    Obama spent 1 billion alone in 2 years.

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    You do know Universities are using funding to promote the man made climate fear mongering and using the money for other departments right?
    Just sign a piece of paper saying AGW is real and get $ for you liberal arts program


    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/03/7-projects-win-funding-for-climate-change-solutions/



    7 projects win funding for climate change solutions
    Harvard grant program provides $1 million across a range of academic boundaries





    Seven research projects led by scientists, historians, economists, and public health experts from five Harvard Schools will share about $1 million in the third round of grants awarded by the Climate Change Solutions Fund. This initiative, which was launched by Harvard President Drew Faust, encourages multidisciplinary research that seeks creative solutions to climate change.

    “Universities have a uniquely important role to play in the battle against climate change, and Harvard must continue to be at the forefront of efforts to bring disciplines together, deepen awareness of the issue, and speed progress,” said Faust. “This year’s Climate Change Solutions Fund awards will help experts from engineering, medicine, chemistry, public health, public policy, and the arts confront the challenges facing our society and our planet at a moment when the dire consequences of inaction are becoming increasingly apparent


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