Large churches in democratic nations should print their own currencies.

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  1. DennisTate

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    OK.... Pastor David Wilkerson at the 11 minute mark in this interview goes into the dark direction that this could perhaps go in......

     
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    I am now thinking in terms of books....... and reality films...... and semi-reality science fiction films........
    perhaps shot by teenagers and university students......
    who are hoping to make it big and end up in Hollywood..... or at least Hollywood North.........?

    ....(Even Hollywood Utah would be nice)!
    https://mormonhub.com/forums/topic/...ries-here/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-983554
    May I write up a concept for an L.D.S. film series here?
     
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    Large churches or religions in any form of g0vernment should stay OUT of the affairs of the state.
     
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    I think that you are partly correct...........
    State governments really should be impartial toward people no matter what their belief system is but.......
    especially in a State like Utah.......
    where one particular church essentially controls that State government..... and each local government........

    ... .and because that particular church tends to take NDE accounts seriously......
    it seems to me that individuals from that church might want to attempt to influence their State (Utah)
    toward policies that will set Utah up for the utopian future of the year 2185.....
    ...... because what former Atheist Howard Storm Ph. D. saw happening at that time
    fits with Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, the minor prophet AND........ gives young people HOPE for the future......
    ... and...... could boost the economy of Utah even at this time?!


    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04

     
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    Pentecostal or Charismatic Prophet Kim Clement predicted somehow that Mr. Bill Gates would repent and would somehow open up some sort of "Financial Gates for the Bride of Messiah, the Church!"

    I feel that Jesus is sending a message to America through near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai and I feel that Latter day Saints will be the denomination of Christianity that will very likely catch onto how to make this actually work first:

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    "If you would believe, God would give you the ability to completely pay off our national debt. God has a way of paying off our debt in our country. There is a way to do it. God knows that secret. But instead of focusing on our country, what about focusing on your bills? What does the Holy Spirit want to tell you by pulling back a veil that will cause you to be debt-free within the year? That will happen if you believe. The Holy Spirit has so much more for you, but you have limited Him. Because you have limited Him, He can’t speak to you. Because of that, people that are prophetic can’t come to you and confirm what God has said because you won’t hear it.
    You can trust God. Relationships that you are having trouble with can be resolved tomorrow morning. If you accept what God is saying, the Spirit of God will enforce a blessing in your life to the point where you will see your family members and friends start to respond. " (Dr. Kevin Zadai, Prayer Secrets Level 1, Warrior Notes School of Ministry, lesson 4 )


    The Bible is correct to teach that human productivity is essentially without limit....

    "And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
    And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." (Genesis 11)

    ... but money is used to organize human producitivity.....
    Ecclesiastes 10:19
    "A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. "
    Latter day Saints do an astonishing amount of volunteerism and.... one possible way to work out the paying off of the national debt of the USA would be for the creation of some sort of "Latter day Saint Volunteerism Hour." One of the important points to remember though is that an alternative currency is taxable, and must be linked to the value of the USA dollar in such a way that taxes can easily be calculated on what somebody earns in an alternative currency.

    Now that there are sixteen million Latter day Saints and fifty thousand missionaries going out even during the COVID 19 pandemic...... (up to eighty thousand LDS missionaries during more normal years), I feel that you Latter day Saints are all set up to fulfill a prophecy that was given to you nearly two centuries ago regarding your playing an important role in saving the USA Constitution.
     
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    That is an excellent point.......
    I wonder if Crypt Currencies and block chain currencies will eventually tend to make local currencies somewhat obsolete?????
     
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    Print their own currency? Good way to commit suicide! Lincoln did it, Hitler did it, the bullets missed jackson, kennedy got his brains blown out. I dont see any future in it.
     
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    Bitcoin inflation:
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    We don't like it when inflation rate is a few percentage points.

    Above you see more like 25% inflation that happened in a matter of a few DAYS. Plus, Bitcoin going to zero is of no consequence to government. It's not theirs to affect.

    How can one do business in that kind of environment?

    There is real value to individuals, to America and to the world to have have a currency backed by government - a currency that can be depended on to the level that government will take action in extreme circumstances, a currency that warrants a level of trust.

    Beyond that, as originally envisioned Bitcoin was really no more than an investment vehicle that was handy for conducting criminal activities. So, one would expect it would lose value as government invades its space to require recording and trackability used for pursuing criminals.

    You want a currency for use by your religion. But, the world economy is bigger than your religion, and it will cost you to separate yourselves from that.

    This isn't like a city under serious duress, having a way of measuring individual contributions between residents as they struggle to survive. Once economically healthy enough to survive, those residents all want what the world has to offer in terms of market and products. What their neighbor has in trade becomes measured by broader competition.
     
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    At the 1:11:11 minute mark in this video begins a testimony that
    would be perfect for setting the stage for the usage of a church currency that could be used to turn homeless people into actors......
    playing the role of homeless people.......

    ...and the film series that could be spun off from this could in theory be used to finance housing for those homeless people........



     
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    Please identify exactly who would have the right to print this "money".

    With US, Canadian, and other country's legal tender, the governments stand behind that currency.

    Who would stand behind this "money" that some church prints?
     
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    OK... for example I Dennis Tate / Tait could
    print up a Dennis Patrick Tate Volunteerism Hour based on The Ithaca Hour......

    and,.... I could print up a Dennis Patrick Tate Barter Dollar based on Calgary Dollars.......

    the catch is that I must make each of these Alternative Currencies linkable with Canadian Dollars and taxable.......

    A Dennis Patrick Tate Volunteerism Hour for example could be based on one hour at minimum wage which would be around fifteen dollars per hour here in Ontario......


    https://money.cnn.com/2012/01/17/pf/local_currency/index.htm?iid=F_Jump

    Now that I am here in Mississauga......
    I could attempt to find investors interested in turning real estate into metaphorical STAGES on which reality film projects are filmed.......

    ... .that set the stage for semi-reality science fiction film series based on alternative universes much as The Avergers movies have prepared all of us for........


    ..... one interesting theme would be "Exodus USA"......... Exodus USA could be linked to a boom in real estate prices in rural America and rural Canada......

    I believe that this could be set up as a SAP database problem......




    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...off-in-one-year.580877/page-5#post-1072579212


    Can the national debt of the USA be paid off in one year?




     
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    This whole thing is starting to take on a whole different and rather new feel than this had years ago.....

    "What I am visualizing is suggesting to Pastor Robby Dawkins that HE IS PERFECT TO BE PUT UP AND PUT ON SOMETHING OF AN ARTISTIC THRONE AND HE BECOMES SOMEWHAT LIKE "JETHRO BODINE MOVIE PRODUCER AT YOUR SERVICE" AND A CURRENCY NOTE with a picture of Mr. Robby Dawkins is printed up..... and then that currency note is turned into a SAP database program.......
    so that Robby Dawkins plays the role of Robby Dawkins....... and we use a Robby Dawkins Dollar as a PROP in a proposed series of reality films that go from now until Robbie Dawkins is taken into heaven by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus - Issa!

    So.... here is a website that will give you an idea of what I have in mind......

    www.CalgaryDollars.ca/

    I read years ago that Calgary Dollars has a total money supply of only about a hundred thousand Calgary Dollars but......
    those printed alternative currency notes turn over and turn over and turn over within the Calgary area so in a year there is a surprising volume of
    business done through Calgary Dollars.........

    yesterday when I woke up after hearing Mr. Robby Dawkins speak I had a visualization in my head of a homeless man in the Mississauga area holding a twenty dollar Robby Dawkins Dollar note.......
    and I offered him a twenty dollar Canadian note for his Robby Dawkins twenty note.... and the homeless guy refused....... so then I offered him a hundred dollars Canadian for that
    Robby Dawkins alternative currency note that was a prop.... and then the homeless guy accepted the offer.......
    and word of what happened soon spread among the homeless people of Mississauga and all of Toronto, Ontario, Canada!

    Theoretically.... Pastor Robby Dawkins could do a series of films set in the Toronto, Ontario, Canada area where alternative currency notes in his name with his picture on them are like a prop......
    and immediately he has the attention of all homeless people in the Toronto area.......

    Hollywood has the number one most powerful film industry in North America.... New York is number two.... and Toronto is number three.... so......

    THOUSANDS OF ASPIRING ACTORS IN THE GREATER TORONTO AREA WOULD BE WILLING TO PLAY THE ROLE OF HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THE TORONTO AREA.......
    and a reality film series could be done where a Robby Dawkins Dollar note is a prop in those films......
    and people could try to guess who are the actual homeless people from Toronto....and who are the actors playing the role of homeless people????????

    I suggested something along the line of this several years ago... but it is wonderful to now be able to put the photo of a specific person on the proposed alternative currency note that serves as a PROP in a proposed series of films that in my mind will go out to a minimum of one hundred and twenty eight nations!!!!!"


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...writings-as-art.534297/page-3#post-1073731010
     
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    DOCUMENTARIES and other types of film projects that will make this world a better place could be partly funded through alternative or local currencies, or even church currencies.... but remember... they must be linked to Canadian or USA Dollars here in North America and if you accept them.... they are taxable!!!!!!


    "Why should the Israelis give their technology to those who want to kill them ?" (MGB ROADSTER) ....

    That is an excellent question but..... Israelis believe firmly in Tikkun Olam and they have already donated amazing solar energy desalination technology to Norwegian scientists and business people so that Norwegian diplomats could share that technology with various Islamic nations. Israelis are interested in turning the earth into a utopia that will fit with every word in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the minor prophets....... so Israelis are approaching this whole thing in a manner that is pretty amazing to the rest of us who have been observing what they have done. (SAHARA FOREST PROJECT .COM)


     
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    This is certainly an interesting comment that I just got back on this topic.....
    There is far more potential in this general idea than we tend to imagine....


     
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    Maybe you could get churches to buy FTX!

    I'll bet they could get set up at a low, low price!
     
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    That also is an intriguing idea......
    because the whole thing with FTX has off the scale ARTISTIC VALUE.....
    that can be transformed into Educational Value......
    Diplomatic Value......
    and yes..... ECONOMIC VALUE!!!!!!!!
     
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    I think that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and The Holy Spirit.......
    woke me up this morning with one of the coolest ideas that I have ever had in my sixty three years........

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's "dark / Pessimistic" Christian Political Cyrus calling in life.......
    and on his administration..... forced me, DennisTate, to move to Mississauga in December of 2021.......


    ..... and I know that I know that I know that I know that it was the Will of YHWH that I move here.....

    ... or else I would never have heard this Seventh Day Adventist pastor preach........

    ... and I would never have came up with a really cool concept for a series of reality films.... plus semi-reality science fiction films......

    ... that in theory can be partly and significantly financed using some variation on Alternative Currencies similar to The Ithaca Hour and, or Calgary Dollars!!!!!


    In a way I feel that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is playing out a role in life..... and in his political life that will eventually come to be viewed.....

    ... as something of a Political Absolom........ in comparison to the MANY KING DAVID type of political leaders that are being raised up........

    ... and I believe that President Donald J. Trump is going to ASK FOR WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING........

    AND HE WILL BE GIVEN WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING.......

    BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT HE WILL BE HORROR STRUCK WHEN HE REALIZES THAT THERE ARE FLAWS IN HIS "ABRAHAMIC PEACE ACCORDS" THAT
    .... could in theory lead to one of the largest disasters in USA history........

    and it might well be an earthquake that would divide the United States geographically.........

    ..... and in a way this potential geological disaster could make the political earthquakes of these past three years seem like children playing in a sand box in comparison.........

    I believe that President Donald J. Trump will be HORRIFIED at the prospect that what he has came up with could turn him into
    a POLITICAL CLOWN comparable to SLEEPY JOE BIDEN!!!!!!!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...sident-donald-j-trump.603660/#post-1073716180


    The Christian Political Cyrus / The Audition and President Donald J. Trump.




    https://us2.campaign-archive.com/?e=__test_email__&u=e86da3a31358aa734376350b1&id=8fa840823d



     
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    To prove that the national debts of the United States as well as the national debt of Canada are significantly practical joke being played on ignorant people........

    ... before dozens if not hundreds... .if not thousands of people commit suicide such as happened back in 1929 when something similar was done to what seems to be happening now.

    A friend of my wife saw her mortgage payments go from five thousand dollars Canadian, (northern pesos) to saven thousand dollars per month...... and now her mortgage is up to nine thousand northern pesos per month!



    To what degree is the national debt of Canada a practical joke?





    Do Biden's advisors and Trudeau's advisors seem to want to crash the markets?




     
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    Are you not aware that Ithaca Hour is DEAD?

    I hope not too many carried that as an asset when it evaporated.
     
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    Mortgage payments are set by the loan institution from which you borrow.

    Many people HAVE chosen to borrow money at variable interest rates, because the initial interest rate is usually low.

    But, those interest rates may change for any reason that is in the loan agreement that you sign.

    Any legitimate financial advisor would tell you to stay away from variable interest rate loans.

    A lot of your financial confusion comes from stuff like this - simply not understanding who is doing what and why.

    So, then you call for stuff like Ithaca Hour, which has no financial foundation and thus can simply evaporate with all holders loosing.
     
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    Especially if somebody like FDR can be convinced by his buddies in the Banking Industry to shut down every local community currency in spite of the fact that they played an instrumental role in working economic miracles even during the Great Depression!

    Do a search for Worgl, Austria Local Money Experiment....and you will even find out more about it even here on political forum.
     
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    We are a stronger nation for having a unified currency that is backed by our government.

    It's impressive how people struggled through the Great Depression. However, that doesn't suggest those struggles identified the best economic policy for subsequent generations.

    As we've seen with BitCoin and others (including those that took people's money and evaporated) the primary uses have been in speculation, tax dodging and money laundering. None of that can be considered a benefit to our nation.
     
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    Your answer is impressive......
    you covered many important aspects of this truly huge topic!


    One possible valid use for a local alternative currency.....
    would be in the financing of film production cooperatives dedicated to addressing a situation that we almost know will happen sooner or later.........

    ... but it would be wonderful if it did not happen for a hundred years or more?!

    For example......... an Exodus of USA Jews up north to Canada first...and then on to Israel........

    has been predicted by near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava who I consider to be one of the most amazing intellects on this earth at this time.......


    I do hope that his concern about Jews feeling forced to leave America does not happen quickly but.........

    .... it probably will happen sooner or later.......


    and film production cooperatives and / or companies and / or kibbutzes can be used to build homes for American Jews who feel that anti-Semitism is becoming too powerful in the USA.......


    .......

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...people-on-earth.608615/page-2#post-1074073659




    Exodus USA



    Messianic Pastor David Herzog was shown that an Exodus of USA Jews up to Canada and then on to Israel was coming........
    ......
    ......
    He gets into that topic after the seventeen minute mark in this video....






     
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