Latter Day Saints, The Mormons, my analysis so far!

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Are Latter Days Saints, Mormons, Christians?

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  2. No

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  3. Perhaps.... .I will research this further.

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Yikes. I hadn't thought of that at all. I know (from personal experience) that any serious religious belief can (should?) certainly make one humble and would lead to goals of personal behavior that would be immensely difficult to meet. But, suicide? I'm surprised at that. After all, it is a sin pretty much universally and religion does offer a path of forgiveness.
     
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  2. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, I’m pleased you came back to tell us.
     
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    A nearby hay distributer is owned by Mormons. I worked there doing maintenance for half a year til i got a better offer that they couldn't match. The pay wasn't great and I was informed by other employees that I would never be upper management unless I converted... but they were the nicest, most reasonable and accomodating people I've ever worked for. If I ever need a job, they'll be the first place I check.

    They never used foul language, and never complained when we did.

    Also, they (the company, not all Mormons) have no debt. They save up til they can pay for something outright, and they have the facilities to maintain/repair/alter all their own equipment. They'd buy old/broken stuff at auction, pay us to fix it, and use the hell out of it.

    They will go waaay out of their way to support other Mormon business. We had to drive 4 hours away to get the oil for chipsealing to buy it from Mormons, and they were happy to pay the extra cost to do it because other Mormons would go out of their way to do business with them too.

    I dunno if these were all a function of their religion, but I got the impression that they were. It seems to me a pretty good business model.

    Some of their views and practices are pretty 'culty' imo, but they're certainly good people ime.
     
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  4. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I accept your experience as genuine but to know what goes on behind closed doors in private with such groups tells a very different story.
     
  5. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually........ if the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research was tapping into
    reality....... the vast majority of us have actually came back from the dead...........

    In 1965 Dr. Wambach set out to disprove the idea of reincarnation by hypnotizing 1088 volunteers and regressing them
    around 4000 years in time..... while they were in an altered state of consciousness.

    Roughly ninety percent of her volunteers could be hypnotized.......
    and get impressions of what appeared to be "past lives."

    She asked her volunteers very simple questions such as...... "look at your feet, describe your feet" to find out
    what racial or ethnic group they were from in each lifetime.

    By asking her volunteers......"visualize yourself at a meal...... what are you eating...... what are you eating with"...... she got an idea of
    their social class........ if they saw themselves eating less than great food...... with their hands rather than with plates, bowls and utensils..... she got an idea of their social class and level of wealth.

    As she asked people to visualize the day of their deaths.......... and asked them what caused their death in that lifetime....... and what they experienced after death...... her volunteers back in 1965, '66 or so until she completed her study described the typical near death experience two decades or more before Oprah and Dr. Raymond Moody made the phrase "near death experience" into a household phrase in North America.

    So yes......... most of us have in a sense came back from the dead.......
    and the information about those past lives are in our subconscious mind as evidence of several possible things......
    one of which would be an eventual resurrection from the dead......... Because if the memories and identitites of all those
    people have been "recorded" on something far beyond DVD or our computers...... then
    an explanation is available on how our Creator could well resurrect each of us.........

    I am not an LDS myself..... I am a Messianic Gentile..... . and most Mormons will probably not be too impressed by my reference to this research.

    http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html
    As I am sure you can guess.....
    I personally accept Bruce MacDonald Ph.D's idea on why the concept of
    reincarnation was almost completely edited out of the Christian canon by
    the Roman Catholic Theologians of the fifth century.... as a brilliant explanation of how Christianity and Judaism diverged so greatly on this belief:


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nation-was-edited-out-of-christianity.370322/

    Why reincarnation was edited out of Christianity?

    Bruce F. MacDonald:
    www.ThomasTwin.com/



    https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380599/jewish/Judaism-and-Reincarnation.htm

    Judaism and Reincarnation
    Beginner
    By Yerachmiel Tilles
     
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  6. WillReadmore

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    That's my experience, too.

    A friend's family owned the lease on some open range in Oregon.

    When, it was time to brand the calves, they did it the old fashioned way - branding irons in a fire, no squeeze chutes, no electricity.

    It was seriously hard work for us ground crew to toss and tie these calves that had never seen a human, brand them, do the innoculations, remove horn buds, harvest the "oysters", etc.

    Not once did I hear a swear word - or see anyone upset about anything. No caffeine in any form. I was immediately taken in as part of the crew though I'd never done it before. Their kids were all out there doing work of various kinds. There were 11 yo kids wearing chaps proud of managing to rope a calf from horseback.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I learned a lot about their history in how Latter day Saint women were treated from this article. The LDS Relief Society is the largest womens organization in the world.



    Is God a Feminist?
    By
    Sydnee Gonzalez

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    Mar 8, 2019

     
  9. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I so thank you for adding this story. A friend is visiting from England and we attended the New Glasgow, Nova Scotia Ward of the Latter day Saints on Sunday. He was amazed how welcoming and non-judgemental they were. I had already noticed that from the other three times that I visited the Ward over these last ten months.

    The service was simple.... but very powerful. Then we came back and had a meeting with two of the missionaries who are serving there at this time and again we were both really, really impressed.

    My buddy and I were really doing some thinking and soul searching as to whether or not we should be baptized LDS or not and basically we seem to have came to a similar conclusion. I would recommend baptism by immersion by the Latter day Saints or by Pentecostals, or Baptists or Charismatic Catholics to anybody who is having problems in their lives and I will quote a non Latter day Saint to explain the why:

    http://64.71.77.248/fq-protestant/tfq-en.html
    At the 5:40 mark in this audio book the detail is added that the demons were riding ON CHRISTIANS .... but were NOT IN THEM!



    I believe that baptism by IMMERSION.... such as is done by Latter day Saints, or Pentecostals, or Charismatic Catholics, or Baptists and by many other denominations of Christianity...... is the key to dedicating our bodies as a temple of the Holy Spirit so that we could still be influenced by a demon if we fall into their mind set BUT.... these demons cannot be IN US if we have dedicated this body to Messiah Yeshua -Jesus the Savior / Messiah the Passover Lamb!

    So I will be advocating baptism by immersion as a symbol of our faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus but it is difficult for me to choose ONE true church...... out of all the Christian churches.

    One of the reasons why I am at least seriously considering joining the Latter day Saints is that they fully and unashamedly accept near death experience accounts and not all Christian churches do.

    I am of the opinion that near death experience accounts that include a valid Life Review are the most probable fulfillment of this promise at this time in history:

    John 16: 25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

    https://books.google.ca/books/about..._Experiences.html?id=qm_DR972jwwC&redir_esc=y

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    Personally I think that Rick Joyner has been shown a valid warning for our time period that a great spiritual war is coming and I believe that baptism by immersion is one way to make it clear that you and I wish to follow Messiah Yeshua - Jesus into this battle! We will be forced to choose a side in this war....... sooner or later, so we may as well get baptized sooner rather than later. Latter day Saints are one of the Christian churches who perform baptism by immersion which is what I will recommend.
     
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    This faith seems very good for Preppers.
    What can I say?
    They like to stay really sober to a degree that says caffeine is a drug and it's not for them, they like to stockpile, and males like to procreate with multiple spouses in the event polygamy isn't frowned upon; This religion, are our doomsday preppers; from what I've observed. Bless them.

    This is my own findings.
     
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    The Rhetoric of Life Well-Known Member

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    Latter Day Saints, latter day saints...
    Even the name suggests end of day saviors.
     
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    I attended the local Ward of the Latter day Saints four times over these past ten months or so.

    A week ago I took a buddy with me who is visiting from England and we both observed that
    they were exceptionally welcoming.......... and a lack of being looked down on as so often happens
    in other churches just was not there at all...... (at least not that we could notice).

    To my thinking this indicates that their Love Quotient or the magnitude of love that they have for
    potential converts overpowers the human tendency toward fear. In a church where the pastor may tend to
    be overly worried about growing their flock.......
    (perhaps to some degree due to the level of tithes and offerings coming in may be paying their bills)......
    the Fear Quotient in that church may be almost palpable.... (and sometimes it is not the fault of the pastor
    or priest but instead may be a prominent member of the congregation who may sincerely be attempting to
    protect the pastor or priest much as Joshua wanted to protect Moses.

    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/num/11.29-30?lang=eng&clang=eng#p28
    A hundred and fifty years ago the Latter day Saints had some pretty serious problems in the teachings from
    their Prophet Joseph Smith. A Prophet who is genuinely gifted will still face temptations.... . even Messiah Yeshua - Jesus
    was genuinely tempted by Satan.

    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/matt/4?lang=eng
    The Latter day Saints knew to pray...... and seek guidance...... and receive answers and they have been guided to
    deal with the problems in their teachings from over a hundred years ago and in my opinion they are now in a position
    where they are perfectly prepared to accomplish something HUGE!

    A powerful case can be presented that we are now in the time of the White Horse President Prophecy because the
    2012 election may have been stolen from Mr. Mitt Romney through voter fraud of many types but especially by
    George Soros voting machines.

    https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Joseph_Smith/Prophecies/White_Horse_prophecy
    I believe that Latter day Saints are uniquely set up to assist in the fulfillment of Isaiah chapter 42 - 46..... especially 45.

    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/isa/45?lang=eng

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...theory-of-m-w-p.548225/page-4#post-1070421397

     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually.... if the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research was tapping into something that turns out to be valid........
    at least ninety percent of us have reincarnated?!
     
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    Rom 7:20

    Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    Rom 7:21


    I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

    Rom 7:22

    For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

    Rom 7:23

    But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

    Rom 7:24

    O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

    Rom 7:25

    I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.


    This is simply Greek Philosophy adapted by Paul for Christianity, as he does with Judaism and creates Christianity. Gamaliel taught his students Judaism at Pharisaic level and also Greek Philosophy. Paul uses Greek philosophy often. As in the above passage.


    Rom 7:22,23
    Paul says, “But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
    Plato says,”There is a victory and defeat – the first and best of victories, the lowest and worst of defeats – which each man gains or sustains at the hands not of another, but of himself; this shows that there is a war against ourselves – going on in every individual of us.”

    Pauks use of Greek Philosophers/philosophy is throughout Acrs and his letters. That's one reason he had more success with educated Greeks than with anyone else. He spoke their 'language'.
     
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    I have a rather strange plan in mind......
    within months I may be living near Toronto, Ontario and I am planning on meeting with a Rabbi
    and asking if he thinks that I would mess up the synagogue if I attended?

    I have listened to ten or more lectures by near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava and
    I see zero errors in anything that he said!

    I agree with Rabbi Alon Anava on reincarnation and on really unusual topics so it may be easier for me
    to be in agreement with a synagogue.... than with any church.... because no church that I know of believes in
    the validity of some form of reincarnation.

    I already announced my intention to my online Latter day Saint friends.....
    I was tempted to join them..... but I think I fit better with Jews if they
    want me around????

    https://www.alonanava.com
     
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    I wonder how an uneducated hay seed could write the book of mormon given what it entails ?

    Unlike L Ron Hubbard he was not a skilled writer.

    When I was 12, two young mormon elders asked my mom if we could go with them to a park and play badeball. Well after playing one inning with other kids we went into a park building and were asked if we wanted to go to heaven and all raised their hands.

    We were promptly baptized into the mormon church haha.

    Later on I was baptized again in the baptist church to get rid of the mormon baptism! Haha

    Those mormons were really nice people though. Good people.
     
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    Yes... they do some amazing research on the various levels in the afterlife. Most churches will not touch that topic.

    https://www.near-death.com/science/experts/widdison-and-lundahl.html
    Dr. Harold Widdison and Dr. Craig Lundahl's Near-Death Experience Research
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    Dr. Harold A. Widdison
    earned a Bachelors degree in Sociology and a MBA from Brigham Young University. He received his Ph.D. in Medical Sociology in 1979 and taught at Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, Arizona for thirty-one years before retiring in 2003.




     

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