Latter Day Saints, The Mormons, my analysis so far!

Mormon I believe is like a tag name. Others yanked it out of clear air and used it as a pejorative as they still do today.

I will say this though. At least nobody calls us Smiths.

We are using the foundation located in the Bible and that is about Jesus.

 

From my thirty years of researching near death experience accounts and having my view
of the meaning of the Jewish and Christian scriptures revamped by NDE language and clarification that I could
understand...... and from my efforts to look around to see if their is a church in agreement.... I am now pleasantly
surprised to find that the Latter day Saints acknowledge near death experience accounts more enthusiastically than any
other large Christian church that I have found so far.


https://www.near-death.com/science/experts/widdison-and-lundahl.html

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I have found at least one major series of visionary dreams by a Pentecostal that seem to line up perfectly with LDS teachings on the state of the dead..... and the ability for souls in Hades to progress... to come closer to God and each other.


"The Torch and the Sword" by Pastor Rick Joyner is perfectly in line with LDS doctrine.





That book is actually part of a trilogy given to him in 1994 and 1995.....










I believe that Latter day Saints can use these writings by Pastor Rick Joyner to increase cooperation with Pentecostals, Charismatic Catholics and others who really like Rick Joyner's books that remind me of some of the writings of C. S. Lewis.

 

Dr. Lance Wallnau, Invading Babylon, The Seven Mountain Mandate, Introduction :

"A film devoid of conflict is boring' (R. W).

I believe that Latter day Saints can form a number of media organizations where Latter day Saint missionaries can pose as audio video journalists who are reporting on thigs going on in Pentecostal, Charismatic Catholic, Baptist and other denominations that have been hostile toward Latter day Saints in the past.

I believe that if Latter day Saints will give basically positive and honest journalistic coverage to events surrounding the ministries of their former persecutors then........ Jesus will be happy and greatly bless their efforts and their new media organizations.

BYU could even offer a course on raising the dead to be taught by Mrs. Marilyn Braxton!


As she and her students and her husband reach out to local hospitals near Brigham Young University..... some films will be produced that will still be getting attention years, decades and even centuries in the future.








The White Horse President prophecy and saving the USA constitution and dollar.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...tion-and-dollar.570833/page-3#post-1072145680

 

Dennis Tate
If you feel you are nearing Death, do much research

I went to the church site trying to find data on the near death. Did not locate any. Will keep researching

 

Chapter forty one of Gospel Principles is perfectly in line with many near death experience accounts.

https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-41-the-postmortal-spirit-world?lang=eng

I don't really feel that I am near death but I believe that near death experience accounts can inspire millions and millions and millions of people to rise up out of Atheism and Agnosticism.

If there is a valid Life Review with Jesus... I feel that these accounts are a modern fulfillment of this promise....


"These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father." (John 16:25)


https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html#a03

Comparing Prophet Joseph Smith and Howard Storm Ph.D?

 

Well this thread is about Mormons, not other religions. And what does the name of your religious group have to do with anything?

Also, I haven't said anything thats not true, Mormons freely preach that works and deeds will get you into heaven even though the bible specifically states in many places that they won't.

 

I will pass this question on to the two Latter day Saint missionaries who plan on meeting with me by Facetime this morning. I have gotten the impression that they actually teach that
we are saved due to our having accepted the Sacrifice of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus on our behalf and we got baptized and received the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit living in us will automatically inspire us to be guided toward doing at least some good works of some type.

 

Have you read "Mere Christianity"?

 

Not yet... but I see it is available on youtube.... so I am listening right now....

 

I love the way that Latter day Saints take this scripture seriously... and literally....


https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/1-pet/4?lang=eng

6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.


https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/alma/40?lang=eng

11 Now, concerning the astate of the soul between bdeath and the resurrection—Behold, it has been made known unto me by an angel, that the spirits of all men, as soon as they are departed from this mortal body, yea, the spirits of all men, whether they be good or evil, are ctaken dhome to that God who gave them life.

12 And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of ahappiness, which is called bparadise, a state of rest, a state of cpeace, where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care, and sorrow.

13 And then shall it come to pass, that the aspirits of the wicked, yea, who are evil—for behold, they have no part nor portion of the Spirit of the Lord; for behold, they chose evil works rather than good; therefore the spirit of the bdevil did enter into them, and take possession of their house—and these shall be cast out into couter darkness; there shall be dweeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity, being led captive by the will of the devil.

 

We know that there may be other writings other than the Book of Mormon and the people thereof. When the 10 Tribes return and are known is when these will come. However, like other writings of ancient people since Adam and Eve, there will be some resemblance of truth in them. I detect some in these writings. However, there is a lot that is simply not true and possibly because of the fact these writings were handed down through word of mouth and some things were lost and changed. Michael, the arc angel, became Adam. So, it was not Michael that came to Adam. Perhaps other angels. We know this to be true through our endowments in the Temple, the House of the Lord. Interesting about signs and tokens for Adam and Eve to know when Satan was lying to them or if they are speaking to real angels from God.

My take on this is it's interesting reading. However, I doubt Adam and Eve were that distraught about leaving the Garden as depicted in the story. And, they did eat in the Garden. They just weren't to eat the fruit of that tree. So, they knew how to eat, sleep and whatever. They had internal digestive organs and so on. Seriously? God had taught Adam and Eve a great deal while they were in the Garden. Be not deceived by these writings. They are interesting but the Standard Works are the Book of Mormon, Bible, Pearl of Great Price and the Doctrine and Covenants. Lean and learn from them and bask in the light that is within the House of the Lord.

 

The LDS missionaries that have been mentoring me these past few weeks gave me this verse in reply to your comment.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/25?lang=eng

23 For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.

 

Accurate based on what exactly.

Wisdom? This church is an example of a cult becoming mainstream. Some interesting facts about this "church":
https://www.toptenz.net/top-10-facts-mormon-church-doesnt-want-members-know.php

 

A Roman Catholic can disagree with Martin Luther, and still acknowledge that that Martin Luther was sincere. I have read the Bible, including the Apocrypha, in eight English translations. The Bible is evocative. People bring their concerns to it and feel that it is talking personally to them. However, people bring different concerns, so they get different messages.

A religious charlatan is one who exploits religious beliefs he does not believe in order to achieve temporal rewards. I believe that this can be said of Joseph Smith. As the result of the religion he founded he became affluent, powerful, and he acquired a harem of lovely young ladies, some of whom were underage. Mormons like to say that when he was killed "he went like a lamb to the slaughter." Actually, he was trying to break out of jail. I believe he had a gun in his hand.

I believe I proved in my previous comment that Joseph Smith was not a prophet. He was not deluded. He was a religious charlatan. If he was alive today I can see him with a mega church, and a nationally broadcast television ministry paid for largely by donations by lonely, elderly, poor women. Eventually he would be ruined by a sex scandal involving underage girls.

I do not say that flippantly. I feel the appeal of Mormonism. I like the Mormons I have known. Nevertheless, I believe I can say beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt that Mormonism is not true.

 

I do not know what Mormonism is.
A lot of claims are made about Joseph Smith that simply are not true.

 

I could be wrong but my feeling is that just as the Rechabites during the time of the Prophet Jeremiah were prepared to work for the God of Abraham in many ways so also Latter day Saints are perfectly prepared to play a huge role in how the Kingdom of God will be brought down to this earth.

Latter day Saints have a special ability to take the NDE account of former Skeptic Howard Storm seriously...... which gives them an edge over Christians who find his testimony offensive for some reason or another.


John 5:27
"And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man."

John 5:22
"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"

Hebrews 9:27
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/30006.htm

[6] For my angel is with you: And I myself will demand an account of your souls."

https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html#a03

Former Atheist Howard Storm's book "My Descent Into Death" should have received much more attention than it has so far in my opinion but we Christians are too into the particular denomination that we are in and we tend to ignore the accomplishments by a Christian from a different denomination.

 

My opinion is that even Prophet Joseph Smith teaching against coffee is evidence that he was personally attempting to figure out what got him into trouble? And we all sin... we all fall into trouble... and each of us can notice how certain error or situations tend to be where we fall into trouble more often.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/rom/7?lang=eng

I suspect that Prophet Joseph Smith noticed that when he personally drank coffee, especially too much coffee, it was like he got going too fast in his thinking and fell into sin that he might have avoided if he had avoided coffee for that day. I think that he is onto something with that idea. Although Jesus made over a hundred and twenty gallons of win at the Wedding Feast in Canada there are many Christians who have learned that they personally cannot drink wine.... or other alcoholic beverages..... or they tend to fall into sin far too easily.

 

I know you notice the many attacks on we LDS. Notice they do not attack the Jews nor the Catholics, nor the Lutherans nor the Baptists nor the Evangelicals. Can we be the only group wrong when those groups do not agree with each other? Suddenly is fasionable to attack Joseph Smith leaving out the founder of the Catholics, one Constantine of Rome. Lutherans not attacked though it was Martin Luther taking down the Catholics. Supposedly Joseph Smith being persecuted had plenty of time to persuade many women to marry him and I presume were that true, and it is not, it would be illegal at the time? At that time polygamy was legal. Women could marry whom they pleased. Now the Democrats want women to get abortions. Perhaps due to Democrat hating children.

 

It was not called a commandment by Smith because all it amounted to is the Word of Wisdom. Many years past his death, other church leaders decided it needed more weight.

 

This is the official church information on the Word of Wisdom. I suggest to quell the appetite for rumors, just check it out.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org...manual/section-89-the-word-of-wisdom?lang=eng

 

when Christians try to show how Christian America is, they count them, so yes, they are Christians I guess

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States

"In 2019, Christians represent 65% of the total adult population, 43% identifying as Protestants, 20% as Catholics, and 2% as Mormons, people with no formal religious identity at 26% of the total population, Judaism is the second-largest religion in the U.S., practiced by 2% of the population, followed by Hinduism, ..."

 

What a scam! Hey, I'm a prophet, do what I tell you and give me your money, and I'll save you! Honest!

How do people fall for this nonense, unless they are mentally deficient, or have it pumped into their heads before they're too young to think.

 

I sense my words won't do a bit of good, but when you tell stories about any religion, not merely the LDS, isn't it first incumbent upon you to know the subject you are being critical of?
What is nonsense is the way you commented on the LDS church.

What church collects the most from the members?

The Catholic Church does.

 

Moses prayed and asked for HaShem to make all of Israel into prophets......
Orthodox Jewish scholar Yair Davidiy makes a connection between America and the lost tribes of Israel that many Americans may find rather encouraging and inspirational.

Your time is coming when the prayer of Moses will be answered in your life and you will be raised up to prophet level consciousness.

Numbers 11:29
"And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!"


https://www.britam.org/messiah.html

 

What is a prophet?

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/prophet

noun
a person who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration.
(in the Old Testament)

1. a person chosen to speak for God and to guide the people of Israel:Moses was the greatest of Old Testament prophets.
2. (often initial capital letter) one of the Major or Minor Prophets.
3. one of a band of ecstatic visionaries claiming divine inspiration and, according to popular belief, possessing magical powers.
4. a person who practices divination.

one of a class of persons in the early church, next in order after the apostles, recognized as inspired to utter special revelations and predictions. 1 Corinthians 12:28.
the Prophet, Muhammad, the founder of Islam.
a person regarded as, or claiming to be, an inspired teacher or leader.
a person who foretells or predicts what is to come:

LDS doctrine

A person who has been called by and speaks for God. As a messenger of God, a prophet receives commandments, prophecies, and revelations from God. His responsibility is to make known God’s will and true character to mankind and to show the meaning of His dealings with them. A prophet denounces sin and foretells its consequences. He is a preacher of righteousness. On occasion, prophets may be inspired to foretell the future for the benefit of mankind. His primary responsibility, however, is to bear witness of Christ. The President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God’s prophet on earth today. Members of the First Presidency and the Twelve Apostles are sustained as prophets, seers, and revelators.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/gs/prophet?lang=eng