Latter Day Saints, The Mormons, my analysis so far!

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Are Latter Days Saints, Mormons, Christians?

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  1. DennisTate

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    I am not yet a Mormon......
    I did pray and ask if I should be baptized as a Mormon or not... (I've already been baptized in the Worldwide Church of God in 1979, in Yahweh's New Covenant Assembly in the 1990's and by a Pentecostal pastor about five years or so ago)....... I love how Latter day Saints accept near death experience accounts openly..... I am seriously considering them but... my wife is Pentecostal and there would be difficulties if I went all the way and fully joined the Latter day Saints......

    For the moment it is better that I assist them to connect with Jews, especially Jews living in Israel and with Pentecostals... through the internet.

    My view at this time is that I would love it equally to hear of a million people dramatically repenting and becoming Pentecostal, Charismatic Catholic or Baptist
    and ... another million people repenting and becoming Latter day Saints....
    I suspect though that I would be able to have better discussions whether online or in person though with the Latter day Saints because we agree on more important topics..... such as near death experience accounts perhaps being a major part of the fulfillment of this scripture.


    "These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father." (John 16:25)
     
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    Here is a website that answers or points you into the right directions to answer these continuous old and tiring attempts to debunk Joseph Smith, The Book of Mormon and Pearl of Great Price. It's quite full of scholarship articles but helps a lot.
    https://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/
     
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    Near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai has nothing negative to say about Latter day Saints. Somehow a Latter day Saint pilot was told by the Holy Spirit to give him two hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of flight training lessons.

    I have a clearer vision these days of what I am supposed to do with the rest of my life........ I have a number of ideas on who I am sent to and how I must reach them......... if I were to be baptized LDS I would just be one more LDS but........ as a member of no specific church I can quote near death experience accounts to the groups of people that I feel sent to........................... not everybody would want to be sent to some of the groups that I feel I had to go to after what I learned by studying near death experience accounts since 1990 and the Jewish and Christian Scriptures since 1972......... I truly am glad though that I can have productive and positive fellowship both online and in person with Latter day Saints............. I am well aware that genuine prophets can sin and make lots of errors.... but still be genuine prophets and can give a powerful and needed message.




    I want to start an online outreach to Satanists....


    I even ran into a message from a Latter day Saint that I feel I am supposed to pass out to other Latter day Saints, because the author may tend to be overlooked by members of his own church.


    post number thirty five....

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...the-usa-constitution-and-dollar.570833/page-2

    This message by Latter day Saint Mr. Joshua Johnson fits with the prediction of a massive outpouring of the Holy Spirit that I believe is beginning NOW!!!!!





    https://prod.morningstarministries.org/publications/great-tsunami


     
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    Thank you for the information. What I can't seem to understand is why you lack faith in God and the Resurrection of the Dead? You know there is an afterlife. But, giving that information outside the doctrine and ordinances required for inclusion in the highest degree of Heaven (Celestial Kingdom) get people no further than they are now without that hope of an afterlife. Terrestrial and Telestial (Section 76 of the Doctrine and Covenants) explains that those who do not deny the Holy Ghost will obtain these two kingdoms without Baptism. But, to obtain the Celestial Kingdom where you can be with your family forever and obtain an increase in joy Baptism by one with authority is necessary and the first step. I'm not sure why you think you can't still give seminars on afterlife examples and still be baptized? As long as it doesn't interfere with your covenants and commitments to building up the kingdom of God on the earth. When you talk about afterlife experiences to me or other LDS with true testimonies you are preaching to the choir.
     
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    This will sound strange to you......
    but I prayed and volunteered for something pretty scary back in 1990 and I was led in a direction that........
    I really do think could make any church look bad that I said I was a part of........

    By 1988 or '89 I knew that my mentors Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong and Evangelist Ron Dart would be no match for......
    the one who was predicted to be "wiser than Daniel" so.......

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/28/1/s_830001


    so.... I prayed and I asked for wisdom with rather extreme chutzpah.... and soon I was led to read near death experience accounts and yes................ once I found out how enthusiastically Latter day Saints accept these accounts I was truly thrilled.

    Near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was actually shown about the final anti-Christ.... but...... I believe that time branches and this may have been in another time line that already occurred and can be delayed and delayed in our time line.......




    Well... I went and asked for wisdom so that I could go up against this guy.....
    and even rival him like Hushai the friend of King David rivalled the counsel of Ahithophel in the court of King Absolom......
    and I sure was led to understand some unusual things after those prayers....... that I actually have repeated since back then......



    By not belonging to any church..... my unusual teachings cannot act as a blackmark on that church...... because my attempt to divide and mess up even the Illuminati could become an embarrassment to the Latter day Saints leadership if what I've been led to begin actually begins to really take off......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-and-the-media.331262/page-3#post-1072106575


    I'm actually attempting to get Luciferians to consider that maybe... just maybe... they may be more like the 'Teacher subject" in the Milgram Experiments than they ever could have imagined which...... should lead them to run to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as Paul did after his being struck down on the way to Damascus........

    No kidding...... I don't want to be a total embarrassment to the Latter day Saints community..... you already get a lot of persecution as it is even now...... I got my strange ideas mostly from near death experience accounts.... not mostly from the Book of Mormon.... but yes... there is a lot of agreement..... between NDE accounts and The Book of Mormon.....
     
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    Excellent indeed! And if you are a Gnostic Christian, you will treasure the following from The Gospel of Thomas! Can you tell me what they mean, please?

    18. The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?"
    Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is.

    Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death
    ."

    37. His disciples said, "When will you appear to us, and when will we see you?"
    Jesus said, "When you strip without being ashamed, and you take your clothes and put them under your feet like little children and trample then, then [you] will see the son of the living one and you will not be afraid."

    44. Jesus said, "Whoever blasphemes against the Father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven, either on earth or in heaven."

    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/nag_hammadi/gosthom.htm
     
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    Wow!!!! Great questions....... on one level our beginnings are shocking............

    one near death experiencer was shown that there are Seven Spirits of G-d which equal fourteen ELOHIM.

    The Elohim = the US of Genesis chapter one verses twenty six and twenty seven........

    a spark.... or should I saw a miniature clone of each Elohim.... is in every human spirit.......

    in other words all eight billion humans alive on this earth at this time have within them one of the Fourteen Elohim......


    Truly....... we are children of the Elohim........

    When we understand our beginnings... then we will know that we don't exactly die... we just move on into another dimension of space and time and we begin our next level of this astonishing eternal adventure.......

    it seems to me that the Latter day Saints have a better understanding of this topic than just about any Christian denomination that I have ran into so far.......

    I really like their idea of there being a connection between the Archangel Michael with the Patriarch Adam.....


    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/


    Genesis one verses twenty six and twenty seven.....

    And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
     
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    It sure looks like you are not a Gnostic. You didn't reveal any esoteric wisdom.

    And you didn't attempt #37 or 44.
     
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    I virtually never remember my dreams.... I've never had a near death experience.......(except perhaps a couple of elements of one back in 1990 or 1991 ) . ... so.... esoteric wisdom is unlikely to come out of me..... but......


    37. His disciples said, "When will you appear to us, and when will we see you?"
    Jesus said, "When you strip without being ashamed, and you take your clothes and put them under your feet like little children and trample then, then [you] will see the son of the living one and you will not be afraid."

    This reminds me of the Life Review of the near death experience......
    where total honesty and objectivity regarding our sins and failings of our lifetime is required.......

    The Life Review of former Atheist Howard Storm is a great example of somebody fulfilling this scripture from Thomas......


    https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html#a03

    In my opinion...... Rabbi Judas Didymus Thomas, the twin brother of Jesus has reincarnated.... and he had a near death experience in 1966..... and he has written two books.......


    www.ThomasTwin.com/

    One is almost entirely on the topic of doing something like a Life Review through rather extreme meditation.....




    Your nomination for Nobel Prize in Literature?





     
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    44. Jesus said, "Whoever blasphemes against the Father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven, either on earth or in heaven."


    The Holy Spirit is doing a work in each and every human being.... from the least to the greatest........


    EAch human life has something like INFINITE VALUE to our Creator... who has been working on our spirits and on our souls from infinite time in the past........

    the least Jew will soon be comparable to King David... and the least Christian will soon be greater than John the Baptist..... it is unwise to accuse other human beings of being un-savable by HaShem............ saying that Jesus did healing miracles by the power of Azazel Baalzebub is an extremely dangerous mind set to get into........... Those who spend their time accusing have in a sense crucified themselves with the words of either the Jewish and or the Christian scriptures.........(or of other scriptures for that matter)......!
     
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    sheesh.
    I'm done. Forget it. You really shouldn't call yourself a Gnostic. You're more like a very devoted natural man.
     
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    Are you sure that you are not looking for ideas on spirituality that are really complicated at a time when the Creator wishes to give you.....


    Jhn 16:25


    These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."


    If and when you get some questions from grandchildren you may wish to be aware of all that is here........

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/pets/jan-price.html


     
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    It's not "complicated". It's spirit. "The time cometh" to each as he is ready. It's not a time in the future when many will "see and hear something." The teaching that it is an event that will occur in the world some time in the future is one of the worst, most carnal and worldly teachings any false "church" ever perpetrated.

    John 3:6 - "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

    Gospel of Thomas:
    (1) His disciples said to him: "Is circumcision beneficial, or not?"
    (2) He said to them: "If it were beneficial, their father would beget them circumcized from their mother.
    (3) But the true circumcision in the spirit has prevailed over everything."

    Romans 2:29 - "but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter".

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS? ^^^

    John 14:26 - "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

    John 16:12 - 13 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

    1 John 2:27 - But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
     
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    It is now time for this promise to be fulfilled.

    "These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father." (John 16:25)



    Kevin & Friends with Ex-Warlock John Ramirez
     
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    Actually...... my concerns are more for the next five, ten or fifteen years of my life.

    I am closer to Judaism on so many questions than I seem to be to the leadership of the Latter day Saints at this time.

    https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/church-leaders-covid-19-vaccine

    19 January 2021 - Salt Lake City
    News Release
    The First Presidency and Apostles Over Age 70 Receive the COVID-19 Vaccine
    The Church has helped immunize nearly 117 million people since 2002


    I am closer to the opinion of Rabbi Weissman on the question of the vaccines.





    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/02/no_author/31-reasons-why-i-wont-take-the-vaccine/

    The following list was created by the Israeli rabbi Chananya Weissman. Many thanks to MC for the tip.




    Number four is the big one for me.....
    I have been taking MSM, vitamin C, zinc and D3 so I have my doubts that if I am exposed to COVID 19 that i will have a serious case of it. My immune system is so boosted that i might not even become contagious.

    My secret weapon against COVID 19 is:

    http://www.msm-info.com/#Detoxification

    I actually tripled the daily dosage of MSM (which is technically a food supplement)... since I had to take my first COVID 19 test in July of 2020 and I haven't had a cold since then.
     
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    I haven't a clue what this all has to do with the topic of exaltation and what is needed to get there.
    As far as whether his is a vaccine, I saw numerous errors of what was written. It is a vaccine. It's made differently but it does stop the virus from catching on. It's only 95% effective from doing so. Which is by far better than the flu vaccine that is at most 50% effective. I'll take that 5% over the way vaccines normally are produced. As far as how long it lasts, flu vaccines last a season and that's it. So, if we need to get booster shots every year, I'm good with that. And, to say that vitamins are a better protection is sincerely dangerous and completely wrong! Vitamin C was supposed to stop the cold and cure it. It doesn't. Uggg!!!
     
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    Thank you for replying to this topic......... but your points..... although valid...... and one part of this whole formula.... .tend to verify my suspicions that once the leadership of a church go in a certain direction........ then if I were a baptized member I would experience at least some peer pressure to follow the leadership?!

    That reminds me somewhat of the situation that I had in the Worldwide Church of God and once Mr. Joseph Tkach took over as Pastor General....... I just felt pushed in a different direction. So I parted ways with the WWCG. That happened between January of 1986 when Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong died and 1991 when it was just obvious that I did not fit in anymore.

    I suspect that Latter day Saints who do NOT want the vaccine are not expelled from the LDS church........ but this would be at least somewhat of a strike against me. I would probably be expected to write about this topic less which is not a type of pressure that I want at this time.
     
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    Do you personally believe in the validity of Multiverse Theory?

    Do you think that non-linear TIME can fit with Ezekiel chapter thirty seven, Revelation 20 and Romans chapters nine, ten and eleven?

    What I mean by this is that Ezekiel chapter thirty seven, the resurrection of dry bones..... can occur on October 10, 1939........... and a whole new time line could be created in which the death toll during that new WWII could be decreased by fifty percent or more?

    This would be done by an increase of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in that new time line........ that is different from the 1939 to February 26, 2021 that you and I have just been part of.

    Background information to this basic concept is here:
    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

    and.....


    Are we living in a Multiverse?


     
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    Many Mormons are wonderful godly people, but the Christian God exists in a Trinity and Mormons, for now, do not accept the Trinity. I wouldn't make too much of that though, they also have a living prophet, so are not as doctrinally fixed as Christians. I wouldn't be surprised if as their belief system more fully develops that they continue to move closer to the traditional Christian Church in some of these areas.
     
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    It is all very speculative theory, but it is apparent that you live SOMEWHERE other than in this reality.
     
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    Thank you for this insightful and accurate post on this topic.

    I actually have high hopes that the sixteen million Latter day Saints led by the faculty and students at Brigham Young University in Jerusalem could well play an important role in bringing peace to Israel, the West Bank and Gaza?


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...passover-since-31-c-e.585877/#post-1072498373



    Is Israel facing the biggest Passover since 31 C.E?



     
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    Thank you......
    some near death experiencers have stated that it was intended for the Patriarch Adam and Eve that they could be well aware that their bodies were here on earth in four dimensional space time but at the same time their spirits were meant to soar through what was going on in the higher invisible dimensions.

    They basically lost that capability though once they took of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil....... but...... all that was lost in Eden is being restored.


    https://reluctant-messenger.com/eden_1.htm

    The great five and a half days have gone by and now knowledge is increasing rapidly.......

    Jeremiah 23:20

    "The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly."


    Daniel 12:4
    “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
     
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    I have something in mind that could potentially set up a number of non-Mormons.....
    to break through that general trend......

    I know that the sixteen million Latter day Saints.... WILL NOT DIVIDE IN TWO OR THREE DIRECTIONS over the fact that many Latter day Saints are vaccinated..... and many are not........
    but eight million Israelis are definitely into a time of serious division over this issue????


    Is Israel facing the biggest Passover since 31 C.E?
     
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    I do happen to believe that there is something of a possible massive potential positive in this both for Latter day Saints.... and for the eight million citizens of Israel, from all across the political, ethnic and philosophical spectrum.

    Is Israel facing the biggest Passover since 31 C.E?



    My apologies for being off by a century...... I really should have written since 131 C. E., the time just before the Bar Kochba Revolt... . when the Rabbinic Jewish community very dramatically separated from the Messianic Jewish community.

    According to Orthodox Jewish Scholar Mr. Yair Davidiy......
    I am partly descended from the Tribe of Dan......
    and Judah and Dan stuck together... partly due to Dan being the next youngest son after Judah.



    https://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/39.htm
    This may sound strange to you.....
    but when the dust all settles and the smoke clears away..... you Cougarbear will know that you accomplished more than you might at first imagine over here.... so again...... I do thank you for really adding to that rather controversial discussion.



    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...religion-politics-and-the-media.331262/page-3
     
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