Law proposes men be taxed for masturbation - highlights abortion issues

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  1. iamanonman

    iamanonman Well-Known Member

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    I get it. I don't like abortion either. I have a huge heart for babies (both born and unborn) so it saddens me to think that there are people who can be so apathetic. But, in terms of legality I support a women's sole right to choose for herself because it's her body and her resources. And since laws necessitate at least a hint of black of white in which to construct a yardstick from which to judge right and wrong it makes sense to draw that initial line at being born or unborn.
     
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    And when you belittle the partners benefits you prove how ignorant you are.
    So since you only follow science heres an excerpt from the Journal of Family Psychology, vol 26, June 2012.

    "Mothers who perceived stronger social and emotional support from their partner, had fewer symptoms post-partem depression and anxiety after giving birth. Further, their newborns were less sensitive to stress, indicating they to benefitted from the support provided by their mother's partner."

    So just a little science for you.

    By the way, why don't you post a link to where you got your list of side effects from. Or are you concerned that some of the authors might be (gasp) men. Since in your view men cannot possibly know what a woman goes through during pregnancy.

    By the way, 2 of the 10 co-authors on the above mentioned article are men...so I guess in your view it is only 80% accurate even though both have PHD's.
     
  3. FoxHastings

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    I won't report the personal insult this time :)...because it does loudly advertise that you know you have nothing....




    Now, please explain what that has to do with the post of mine you quoted:

    ""When you deny the science involved in what happens to pregnant women you A. Deny science(foolish) B. belittle women and what they go through with gestation and child birth.


    YOU do approve of science as you mistakenly think you made a point...you didn't.


    ...and NO, a 10 year old does not need, nor is attached physically to, it's mother.

    There are ten year olds whose mother died in child birth, they're alive, how do you explain that???"""""






    I'm sorry you don't know that "physical" and "mental" are not the same thing....it's a "sciency" thing...:)
     
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    jmblt2000 Well-Known Member

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    Please feel free to report saying you are ignorant is not an insult....You deny that personal experiences are just as important as science. You belittle the whole idea of the partner not going through the body changes as not knowing what's happening.
    But I'm done arguing with you since you and I will never agree. By the way, I know you'll respond because you have to have the last word. Cyka.
     
  5. FoxHastings

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    :) Thank you for admitting you don't know that "physical" and "mental" are not the same thing as I showed clearly in my post.....
     
  6. FoxHastings

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    That wasn't what we were discussing....I stated, correctly, that a ten year old doesn't need it's mother to survive and you came back with some claptrap about women's emotional state.

    A woman's emotional state has nothing to do with the fact that a ten year old does NOT need it's mother to survive as YOU alleged.
     
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    jmblt2000 Well-Known Member

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    So you're saying you could drop a ten year old in the wilds of Alaska or the Amazon and that child could survive without help from an adult....less than 1% chance that child would survive a month. Heck, most adults couldn't do it, you are insinuating that the child does not need anyone to survive....yeah, again you proved it.
     
  8. FoxHastings

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    Is duck, weave and bob your only abilities?

    Here is what I actually posted:



    That wasn't what we were discussing....I stated, correctly, that a ten year old doesn't need it's mother to survive and you came back with some claptrap about women's emotional state.

    A woman's emotional state has nothing to do with the fact that a ten year old does NOT need it's mother to survive as YOU alleged."""


    I did NOT say, as you allege I said ,"" that child could survive without help from an adult.""

    NO, as I CLEARLY stated, """"a ten year old doesn't need it's mother to survive"""
     
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    jmblt2000 Well-Known Member

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    Again, you obviously have no idea what SURVIVE means.

    Proved it again....chow, cyka
     
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    :roflol:Wriggle , squirm, duck, weave...... just can't admit you either have a problem with English words or you just have no point...


    Answer one question: Are there 10 year old orphans in the world?
     
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    jmblt2000 Well-Known Member

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    Yes there are 10 year old orphans, they wind up with surrogate parents to take care of them.
    They cannot survive on their own without an adult...so they would not survive...
    You proved it again, Cyka.
     
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    First I notice how you sneak in your posts without quoting me. Hoping I won't notice? :)


    Here ,. from YOUR post #174 , page 9 :

    YOUR WORDS: """I could go on but I think you can get the picture...."but a fetus can't survive without the mother." This is true but the same can be argued for born children up to the age of 10."""""

    (Bolding and color , mine)


    You originally did NOT say "adult"....and you SAID "mother" because that was the point I was making...

    now just admit it ...it's there , plain as day, for all to see...



    BTW, explain "Cyka"...
     
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    You one are not very observant and 2 are entirely too literal. In case you haven't noticed we are the only 2 stubborn enough to keep up this discussion. So I did not think I needed to quote you anymore, but hey if it helps you out.

    The unborn child is attached and completely dependent upon its mother for survival, this is implied when I said that a 10 year old child could not survive without it's mother (literal) or an adult (in general), that is implied by the comparison between the unborn child being completely dependent and a ten year old still being completely dependent upon its mother or a surrogate. It's called reading between the lines and making a leap in logic.

    As for CYKA, that is my phone which has 7 different language keyboards and has been autocorrecting to that...I got tired of trying to change it...It is supposed to be c'ya. I am home and on my laptop which only has one keyboard.
     
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    First I notice how you seak in your posts without quoting me. Hoping I won't notice? :)


    Here ,. from YOUR post #174 , page 9 :

    YOUR WORDS: """I could go on but I think you can get the picture...."but a fetus can't survive without the mother." This is true but the same can be argued for born children up to the age of 10."""""

    (Bolding and color , mine)


    You originally did NOT say "adult"....and you SAID "mother" because that was the point I was making...

    now just admit it ...it's there , plain as day, for all to see...

    No, no "reading between the lines" here. You post it , you own it.

    You: ""The unborn child is attached and completely dependent upon its mother for survival, this is implied when I said that a 10 year old child could not survive without it's mother"
    There is no logic in that .

    A fetus is totally dependent on the woman it's in. Once it's born it is not. The End.


    AND it makes no difference anyway but you did use this issue to avoid the fact that you deny what pregnancy does to women.... totally disrespecting women and what they endure to give birth.
     
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    I'm going to leave it here, we will never convince the other....sayanora.
     
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    When you do not quote a poster you're addressing it looks like you're afraid.
    If you don't quote them they do not get an "Alert" that someone has responded to their post.

    To convince someone of anything you need some facts to back up your opinion. You had none.


    ...and how many times are you going to say goodbye ? ;)
     
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