Law proposes men be taxed for masturbation - highlights abortion issues

Surely there would be ONE female republican who could have sat in on a discussion related to maternity care?? I mean America is not Saudi Arabia

 

A. Because of ingrained sexism there has always been more men politicians than women.
B. Whether female or male the politician's constituents are usually over half female...and their concerns should be valued, not dismissed as men tend to do over "unimportant" things like "women's issues"....which is why a group of old white guys discussing maternity care is laughable as well as frightening...they know NOTHING about it and have no tendency to learn, it's not important to them.

It's like the Republicans in my state who are fighting to keep federal workers from getting a 6 week maternity leave...they are so ANTI-LIFE, they have no idea what a newborn needs in it's first 6 weeks but """"Golly Dang we's gonna save money by stopping those B's from caring for their blankeyt blank brats!!"""""

 

Putting aside the fact that this matter is not related to abortion, which the subject of this subforum.

Less than 20% of the members of the House of Representatives are women, and most of them are elected Democrats. Surely it is clear that there is a difference in statistical probability. Surely it is also clear that Republican women do not have opposing views regarding policy than Republican men simply because of their sex, therefore there is no reason for the GOP to discriminate against them.

What I find appaling is that though this is the very SAME bill that also includes newborn care, emergency services, mental health and addiction treatment, these are glanced over and only maternity care is mentioned. While this is a general health care bill that affects and victimizes both genders equally, the discussion is being reframed as a feminist issue.

 

A. Ingrained sexism is an extremelly controversial topic and an entirelly different conversation. However, if Republicans felt that they would be better represented by women, they would be disproportionately voting for women.

B. Which is exactly my point. It's both men and women who voted these politicians in to be their representatives, therefore they have full authority to discuss and decide over issues concerning both genders. In a democratic political system the power lies in the hands of the voter, and I am of the opinion that the nearly half of American women who voted for Trump can actually think for themselves.

 

No, ingrained sexism explains it all.....ingrained sexism, which those that have it never recognize in themselves, is part and parcel with attempts to infringe on the rights of women.

...and the other half? Can't think at all? Are sexists, too?

"Nearly" half? No, I don't think even half could think for themselves or think at all or they wouldn't have voted for Trump.[/QUOTE]

 

That is not my view. In fact, I believe the claim that women who disagree with you politically are brainwashed due to ingrained sexism is belittling and disrespectful.

The bill proposed was a general healthcare bill not focusing on women. It victimizes both genders.

I was reffering to the 45% of the overall US female population who voted for Trump and who support the policies proposed by the Republican Party. You didn't understand what I wrote.

Yes, women are able to make their own desicions regarding their political affiliation without it being a patriarchal conspiracy.

 

Yes, it is your view and yes, you did say, """ and I am of the opinion that the nearly half of American women who voted for Trump can actually think for themselves.""

 

My view, and as I've mentioned, a whole different conversation.

Meaning nearly half of the general population. I'll grant you that it's awkwardly phrased, but if I had meant what you thought it would be nearly half of the American women who voted for Trump.

 

Does not matter - the care of the newborn and maternity mean that even if they could only scrape up ONE woman - even the bloody tea lady - to be in that room they should have.

there is an internet meme apparently showing a group of dogs voting on feline rights - it is a parody of that picture

I posted it to show that seemingly in America men are making the decisions that affect women - centainly on this forum the most ardent anti abortionists are male and those same men are often the ones berating women for "being sluts" and 'not using contraception" and I have yet to find ONE that knows what the "typical use" failure rate is for condoms

 

Then why haven't you already posted screaming for THEIR impeachment?

 

I really don't get this method representation of the people. You see these kinds of frivolous bills introduced in various state legislatures all of time. Rarely do they ever even have hope of any making it to vote and usually the bill's sponsor knows this and would probably be mortified if it actually passed. It also usually ends up making the sponsor look foolish and is later used against them in future elections. It's a waste of time and tax payer money. This goes for Republican and Democrats alike. Yes, Republican lawmakers are just as guilty. So why are we pretending like this is a good idea?

 

The method is called making a point.....MANY politicians have done similar things. The woman proposing this was NOT serious, she was making a point. She did NOT waste taxpayer's money she was doing what law makers DO....if you want to see waste watch Repubs try to overturn RvW

 

She was wasting money if she was using government resources. Republicans are just as bad...maybe worse...I don't know. Passing bills that effect real people is serious business with real implications. They should be having serious debates and fighting for the passage of legitimate bills and not pontificating to make a point. Just because this is what they "DO" doesn't make it right.

 

Try following the discussion.

 

That's exactly the point. They were elected to introduce or vote for or against legitimate legislation, following research/discussion/debate, not frivolous and especially not unconstitutional legislation. Otherwise they are either incompetent or misusing their elected office and should be considered for impeachment charges either way.

 

But no health care for the baby in the woman.

Thankfully i have two daughters.

 

Periods are something we have no control over happening. Masturbation is something people choose to do.

Historically, women have paid sales tax on feminine hygiene products - I did for almost all of my fertile years. It's been eliminated in much of Canada now, but it's my understanding the states still tax them.

 

And in my view it does not matter, since there is no evidence of discrimination nor would the presence of women make any difference. No one should be chosen to participate in a disccusion simply because of their genitals.

The bill is not a bill about women's rights. It is a healthcare bill concerning a variety of issues, that affects both genders equally, and which both genders will have to vote on. Female respresentetatives will not be excluded from the actual desicion making.

No. The voting base, more than half of which are women, are the ones making the desicions. In a democratic system the power lies in the hands of the constituency.

To claim that in a western world country men make the desicions for women is to do a disservice to other regions of the world where this is actually the case. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be born to the most liberal civilization in the history of the human species.

I can't speak for people in this forum, but overall women are just as likely as men to say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases according to polls. (women - 40%, men - 39%, according to the pew research center).

The leading cause of unintended pregnancies is either no use or inconsistent use of contraceptives (54%). Incorrect use amounts to 41% of all cases, while contraceptive failure amounts to only 5% of all cases. (stats from the Guttmacher Institute.)

Obviously I can't defend members of the forum using offensive euphemisms like "slut", regardless of what their argument is.

 

"pontificating to make a point"" is what they do TO GET BILLS PASSED.

See, they just can't present the bill and say , "Please"....they DISCUSS it as they have for over 200 years!!!!!

They use whatever means they have to pass their bills...what don't you get about that?

The person in the OP used WORDS to get her point across....that is what politicians DO....


Did you think Congress operates in silence???

 

Comments on one of your comments:

You:""No. The voting base, more than half of which are women, are the ones making the desicions. In a democratic system the power lies in the hands of the constituency.""

NO, the power does not lie in the hands of the constituency or Clinton would be President.

And since throughout the history men have held the reins in Congress it is frightening to see a room full of men making decisions for and about women when so few men
have any understanding of what women go through...or care, or aren't raving sexist misogynists...

Yes, it is sexist to say a room full of men can't really know or understand women and shouldn't have a say on their rights but for over 200 years that's all women had to represent them...and it didn't always work real well....

 

Trump is a democratically elected president.

That's not an argument, that is a sexist attack on an entire group which is based on no evidence whatsoever.

Women and men are equal before the law in every developed country in the world, which was not true two centuries ago. I'd say it's worked pretty well.

 

Plenty of evidence...over 200 years of it in this country alone.

You seem to think that " it's usually men who commit rape" is a sexist statement........it's not.....

 

Hey I have a better idea...when a child reaches puberty, male and female, all eggs and ovaries are removed from women and all sperm and testicles will be removed from boys.

Just think. Not more periods or abortions, boys will be less aggressive because they won't have any balls.

The biggest draw back would be that the government would decide who got a test tube baby and who wouldn't.

 

Where is the evidence that most men are sexist raving misogynists and don't care about women in 2017? Please clarify.

No, I think this

is a sexist statement.

 

So the only sexist you know is me ?.....too funny. Yup, the word sexist was invented to only describe me, nobody else ...ya, OK...

Luckily there are many non sexist people, like the woman in the OP, who will protect women's rights so I'm not all that worried...