Legal Docs: St. Louis Prosecutor Tampered With Evidence In McCloskey Gun Case

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If they initially walked through an open gate and only damaged it after they were threatened with deadly force would that change your opinion?

    Introducing weapons into a situation that is already perceived as volatile should absolutely be illegal. You should not pull your weapon unless you intend to use it.

    Open carry in Missouri has a carve out exemption “Angrily or threateningly exhibiting a weapon in the presence of other people”.

    Everything is made murky by the community being fenced, the situation differs from someone walking down the street. If this would have been the scenario what he did would have absolutely been illegal. We will have to see how the courts determine common property in cases like this.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah, so it’s a generational issue of muzzle discipline.
    Explains a ton.
     
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  3. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    The legality is also questionable, at best. "I feel threatened" is not a universal excuse, otherwise there would basically be no gun laws.
     
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    False. You started with the personal attacks by calling me a race baiter (which is totally unjustified and total bullshit). Unless you are going to try to claim that me referring to the couple as white was somehow a personal attack against you (might as well right.....what do you have left to lose in this thread?)

    You were getting shown the door in this thread by damn near everybody and so you started attacking.
     
  5. Stuart Wolfe

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    You think it will even get that far now that everyone knows the police tampered with the evidence? I give it good odds a judge tosses this out.

    I'm actually surprised the thread has focused on what this couple did rather than the revelation that the prosecutor and the police tampered with evidence to get the result they wanted. That's a pretty serious crime and may end up having scores of rulings by the courts in the general area reviewed. I dunno if you guys watched "How to Fix a Drug Scandal" on Netflix, but a couple of morons who were responsible for ensuring that the evidence in a trial was actually what they said it was were screwing up big-time which ended up f-ing over a lot of people in the end. And in that case, no one was directing them, they were just drug-addled idiots. Here - it's all planned out. I'm not a fan of conspiracies, but in this case the DA is running a big one with the aid of the crime lab.
     
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    St. Louis is crime ridden. It is always on the top 5 list of most dangerous US cities and is run by Democrats as a majority of the cities on the list are. Could this be a major factor as to why the majority of these protests are in Democrat run cities? They know they can literally get away with murder.
     
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    So far, I've seen no actual evidence that they did so. Where's the minute mark where this was actually proven? She turned over the gun to her own lawyer, who at first claimed he didn't know where it was. Now the story is that her gun wasn't fully assembled when she was pointing it at people, finger on the trigger . . . in what way was it not assembled? Frankly, far more likely story is that the lawyer disassembled the gun or she disassembled it before giving it to her lawyer. Hard to imagine it was a coincidence that they tried to hide the pistol and not the rifle, for some reason.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You brought up their race, which is irrelevant.
    If you don’t like being called out for tacky debate tactics don’t do it.

    I did not call you a race baiter, I said you are “Still trying to race bait” — a subtle difference.
    At which point you continued to try to bring race into the topic.

    I don’t care if they were purple with yellow polkadots and the protestors were green, I believe weapons being treated as props — especially in attempts to threaten others that have not been threatened is a poor and cowardly decision and one of the many reasons why guns are villainized the way they are.

    As for me “being shown the door” (another attack on a poster not the topic that you seem to be sooo upset about as you do it) — most of what has been said in this thread is opinion, one person has quoted the actual law which I showed there are still potential legal ramifications for how they acted.
    This will be determined by the courts.

    Like I said, I work with what I have. If you feel offended that is all you have given me to work with.
     
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    What does fixing the gun have to do with the charge. So it’s legal to wave an inoperable gun at people?
     
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    I agree. Where's the minute mark where this is proven. People who use their guns illegally should also be prosecuted. That we actually have evidence for.
     
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    Great question. Don't expect an answer.
     
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    Brandishing a firearm to eliminate a violent threat is always legal in America.
    Tampering with evidence to rig a trial is a serious felony.
     
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    Of course its legal. Shooting a violent threat is legal.
     
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    There is no evidence of any violent threat against them, much less evidence that everyone she pointed the gun at was threatening her. If she honestly felt the need to eliminate a violent threat, she would have pulled the trigger. And, again, I see no evidence of actual tampering.
     
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    No evidence of violent threat, and she didn't shoot.
     
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    I watch the video, did not look like she was holding a gun of many pieces

    that said, I do not think they should of be charged with a crime, they were on private land and these people broke down a gate to get onto their land

    had they shot some unarmed people, then would be a different issue
     
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    there will never be a way to know how it would have turned out if they did not defend their property
     
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    BLM/AntiFa mob violence is a fact. The threat was real.
    The US Attorney should give the crooked prosecutor a chance to explain her obstruction of justice to a grand jury.
     
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    Dude, you must have me confused with a particularly left-leaning poster here. I like your response though - I'm keeping it.

    The answer is, pretty much any time evidence is tampered with, the case gets thrown out. There's been people who were flat-out guilty of the charge and the lawyers still had the case dropped because the police didn't handle the evidence correctly leading to possible doubt. And when you have a case where it kinda matters if the gun was capable of firing or not, well ...

    It shooulda been a slam-dunk. Leave the weapons relatively untouched. What, the crime lab couldn't even do that right without tampering?
     
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    Everyone knows exactly what would have happened if the McCloskeys had not driven the violent mob away.

     
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    Don’t even need the gun as evidence. Video will suffice.
     
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    No, there really is no difference. "I said you were committing a crime, I didn't call you a criminal". Your justification for your personal attack is ridiculous. And yes, once you started personally attacking me, then I changed the way I posted. But make no mistake, YOU chose to start with the personal attacks. You own that.

    They were threatened and they were ready to defend themselves. That you're trying to paint them as the villain is pathetic and shows blatant partisanship.

    Most of what has been said by YOUR side is opinion, because the laws are not on your side here. You have been wrong at every turn in this thread. You're incredibly defensive about it (hence why you started with personal attacks). You clearly are going down with the ship.

    And LMAO at me saying 'being shown the door' is a personal attack against you....wow you're desperate to defend yourself and your actions in this thread.
     
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    BLM/AntiFa Mob = Violent Threat

    Crooked prosecutors should be prosecuted.
     
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    The one most in doodoo is the radical prosecutor, because the State Attorney General now has a legitimate reason to can her, appoint a special prosecutor(who most surely will dismiss the case) and she might face tampering charges herself. She was stupid enough to charge them to begin with, then she compounded the matter by obstructing justice in this case with the tampering.
     
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