Legal gun owner stops a mass killing

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A concealed carry permit holder successfully stopped a gunman who had begun firing into a crowd of people, saving countless lives. The incident happened in Syracuse, New York, on Tuesday at around 2:30 p.m.
    The suspect, Demetrius Jackson, had opened fire on a group of people with a 9mm handgun. An armed man at the scene, who is a concealed carry permit holder, drew his firearm and shot the suspect in the head. The suspect was pronounced dead at the scene.

    No information has been released about the armed citizen, but police did mention that he has received threats and sustained property damage in retaliation as a result of the armed self-defense. (Since presumably the man is white and the deceased man is black, there is a whole racial dynamic surrounding that)

    Now the defender needs to protect himself. This is also another example of why having more than one firearm is important. There is no doubt that the police have taken the firearm used in the self-defense shooting as evidence.

    video here:
    https://concealednation.org/
     
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  2. AARguy

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    Here in Texas we no longer need permits. Any legal gun owner can carry either open or concealed. TEXAS! WHERE FREEDOM LIVES!
     
  3. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not for too much longer, I am afraid. But that would be a subject for another thread.
     
  4. Joe knows

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    It’s that way here in utah as well
     
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    Thanks for posting. This type of story doesn't get much attention.
     
  6. Bow To The Robots

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    Wow. A CCW holder in New York State? That's almost as rare as pubic hair on a porn model.

    And I love how this instantly becomes a racial issue... as if it's perfectly fine to shoot into a crowd only if you're black and how racist it is for a white guy to stop it. Imagine the scenario reversed: white guy shooting into crowd. We'd be hearing about his ties to white nationalism, Trump, Proud Boys; CNN would have gone through his social media with a fine tooth comb... and the black law-abiding citizen who shot him to stop the massacre would be hailed as a hero... which would be accurate, of course, because he would be a hero. I'm willing to bet my 401(K) that Demetrius Jackson is a prohibited person and that New York's very restrictive gun laws did nothing to keep him from having that roscoe. And I'll add a $100 kicker if the gun turns out to be a Hi-Point. LOL.
     
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    There's a reason for that...
     
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  8. AARguy

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    As of 1 Sep 21 "Constitutional Carry" is legal in Texas. No registration. No permit. Any LEGAL gun owner can carry concealed or open...... where's the increase in violence? Where's the increase in shootings? HINT: There has been none at all.
     
  9. FatBack

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    Where is all the usual anti-gun crowd?

    Strangely absent from this thread.
     
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    Ooops! Seems the NRA are out spreading the false flag stories again

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/3/26/how-to-sell-a-massacre-nras-playbook-revealed

    And “concealed carry” is pure Astro Turf”

    ps what video?
     
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    Hey give us a break we do have other interests
     
  12. Bowerbird

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    Ummmm Tell us again what your yearly firearm morbidity rate is - not the mortality but the morbidity because THAT is why your state cannot afford………..
     
  13. AARguy

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    From the Oxford Dictionary:
    mor·bid·i·ty
    /môrˈbidədē/

    noun
    • 1.the condition of suffering from a disease or medical condition:"the therapy can substantially reduce respiratory morbidity in infants"
    Are you suggesting that firearms cause the China Virus?
     
  14. SiNNiK

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  16. FatBack

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    Oh BS, permit holders are the most law abiding dermographic in society.
    How many more "mass shootings" from your joke of a link contain ONE dead?

    Concealed Handgun Permit Holder: Luis Arthur Casado PENDING
    Date: May 29, 2021
    People Killed: 1

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    Circumstances: On May 29, 2021, concealed handgun permit holder Luis Arthur Casado, 30, allegedly shot and killed Adam Amoia, 37, outside Dos Gatos, a bar in St. Augustine, Florida. According to a police report, police responded around 1:51 AM to a report of someone being shot in front of Dos Gatos. The responding officer reported he found Amoia face down on the sidewalk. Witnesses identified the alleged shooter as Casado. Casado told officers that he shot Amoia several times, but that he acted in self defense. Casado was charged with manslaughter with a firearm and carrying a concealed firearm in a prohibited establishment.

    Source: “Family of St. Augustine shooting victim reacts to indictment,” firstcoastnews.com, June 29, 2021.

    Concealed Handgun Permit Holder: Corey Weedon PENDING
    Date: August 1, 2020
    People Killed: 1

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    Circumstances: On August 1, 2020, concealed handgun permit holder Corey Weedon, 27, allegedly shot and killed an unidentified 27-year-old man while practicing “defensive scenarios.” Weedon and two other men had returned to a home from a local shooting range and were cleaning their guns when they began practicing “defensive scenarios,” according to the police report. Weedon told police they had emptied their guns to clean them, but “for unknown reasons he loaded the gun.” Weedon pointed the gun in the direction of the 27-year-old victim and allegedly pulled the trigger, shooting the victim in the chest. Weedon claimed he did not mean to shoot the person, saying he’d only owned his gun for about a month. Weedon took a six-hour training course and obtained a concealed weapon permit in July 2020. He told police he had smoked marijuana before the shooting. Witnesses told police they had not seen or heard the two men argue prior to the shooting. Weedon was charged with manslaughter.

    Source: “St. Pete man shoot, kills man while ‘playing defensive scenarios,’ Pasco deputies say,” tampabay.com, August 5, 2020.

    Concealed Handgun Permit Holder: Yvonne Serrano PENDING
    Date: November 23, 2019
    People Killed: 1

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    Circumstances: On November 23, 2019, concealed handgun permit holder Yvonne Serrano, 51, allegedly shot and killed Daniela Tabares Maya, 21, outside her home in Coral Springs. According to an affidavit, Serrano and Maya were part of a group of acquaintances that went to see a movie before going to the World of Beer pub. Serrano and Maya were seen “conversing, laughing and drinking for several hours,” according to the court document. The pair were filmed by surveillance cameras leaving the pub together and additional footage showed them arriving at Serrano’s driveway around 2am. At 5:55am Serrano called police to say there was a dead woman in front of her home. Serrano initially told officers that she did not know Maya before admitting that she did. Police discovered Maya lying on her back with one foot hanging in the open door of her Nissan Kicks SUV with a gunshot wound through her forehead. Serrano initially told police that she had “blacked out” at World of Beer and had no idea how she got home when she woke up in her bed. She later told detectives that she woke up in the passenger seat of Maya’s car. Serrano has a concealed carry permit and owns three handguns, including a Sig Sauer P365 9mm pistol which she told police she took with her to the pub. Blood was found on the Sig Sauer and its holster, and investigators say that Serrano had recently washed a dark tank top and deleted Ring video footage filmed on a smart doorbell. Serrano was charged with second degree murder and tampering with, or fabricating, physical evidence.

    Source: “Woman, 51, is arrested for ‘shooting dead woman, 21, after bar outing,’” dailymail.co.uk, November 25, 2019.

    Concealed Handgun Permit Holder: Andre Sinclair SHOT AND KILLED DURING INCIDENT
    Date: June 7, 2019
    People Killed: 2

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    Circumstances: On June 7, 2019 concealed handgun permit holder Andre Sinclair, 22, shot and killed Keith Byrne, 41, during a road rage incident in Davie, Florida. Byrne was on the phone with a friend while driving when he accidentally cut off a BMW driven by Sinclair’s girlfriend. According to the friend on the phone, Byrne wanted to apologize for the mistake at the next light. However, despite pleas from his girlfriend to stay in the car with her and their toddler daughter, Sinclair got out of his car and shot Byrne in the chest. Byrne, who was also a concealed handgun permit holder, fired back at Sinclair. Byrne died at the scene and Sinclair died of his injuries two days later. Police Sgt. Mark Leone called the incident “pointless and silly.” He added that if Sinclair had survived, the police would have identified him as the primary aggressor and charged him with murder.

    Source: “He wanted to apologize for cutting off another driver. It turned into a deadly shootout,” sun-sentinel.com, June 12, 2019.
     
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    Do you even know what a "mass shooting" is @Galileo ?
     
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    Prove any of those shooters had a CCW, or that having a CCW was a causal effect.
     
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    We can carry, open or concealed, here in Texas as of 1 Sep 21... no permit or registration of the gun required... GO TEXAS!!
     
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    You seem happy about it. :)
     
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    I would be. Fortunately WA is at least a 'shall issue' state, so its not hard to obtain a CCW here.
     
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    Happy? I'm ecstatic! With our rights from speech to property ownership to the 2d amendment shrinking from coast to coast, the Texas law allowing "Constitutional Carry" (open or concealed carry without permit or registration) is beyond a breath of fresh air... its a cause for CELEBRATION!
     
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    Of course. You just didn't read my source carefully.

    "
    2,015
    Total People Killed By Concealed Carry Killers

    37
    Number of Mass Shootings Committed By Concealed Carry Killers

    64
    Number of Murder-Suicides Committed By Concealed Carry Killers

    24
    Law Enforcement Officers Killed By Concealed Carry Killers"
    https://concealedcarrykillers.org/

    It never claimed that all shootings by permit holders are mass shootings. The majority are not.
     
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    The proof is in the link.
     
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    CCW lists aren't public knowledge. There's no proof in that link, just unsupported claims.
     

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