legal gun saves life, kills mass murderer

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  1. CCitizen

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    My Disability is part of my Identity.

    It is sad to see many Conservatives arguing that the very lives of people with Mental Disability have lower value.
     
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    Another nice try at dodging answering the question.

    So one more time, please explain, if you are so defective, which you are by your own admission, where do you gain any authority how to dictate or even recommend the rest of society, who is not, shall live?

    I don't see any conservatives in this debate, where are you finding them at, or is that more of your illusions?
     
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    Me and many other forum users are nobody -- we are not law makers.

    But thousands of experts have designed almost perfect Laws in Canada and Scandinavia.
     
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    Then it is also necessary for yourself to abide by the belief that wearing blended fabrics and consuming shellfish are also sins to engage in.
     
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    As a Conservadox Jew, I do follow these rules.
     
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    According to the claims made on the part of yourself, all lives are precious and valuable, even if they are the lives of the worst rejects of society who will murder anyone for no reason.

    If all lives truly have value, as is being claimed on the part of yourself, then cease telling others how they should live their lives, as you are not respecting their own innate value.
     
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    It is not an excuse for the behavior on the part of yourself.

    If they must be supported by the more productive members of society who can contribute something, they are of a lower value.
     
  8. CCitizen

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    Lives have value. Wrong choices people make may have to be prevented -- these choices have no value.
     
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    I disagree 100%.
     
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    Speak for yourself, I have in the past and will again in the future make and get laws passed, pro-gun laws like shall issue carry licenses, done, preemption and the elimination of all local gun laws, done, and stand your ground, done!

    Which is irrelevant and way off topic.
     
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    Matthew Chapter Seven:

    1 “Do not judge, or you will be judged.
    2 For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
    3 Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?
    4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye?
    5 You hypocrite! First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.


    The Bible itself states to not judge others when you cannot even manage your own life. Therefore you are violating your religion in the name of pursuing political beliefs.

    You, as an individual, have absolutely no basis in dictating what others should do on the basis that you somehow know better than them. Tend to yourself and shut up further on the matter.
     
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    You can disagree all you want but that is a undeniable truth, a persons worth is based in part as to what they can contribute to the society they live in, thoae who contribute more are worth more, those who contribute less are worth less.

    Just because you are one of the latter does not negate the truth.
     
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    "legal gun saves life, kills mass murderer"

    what do you consider an illegal gun? don't all Americans have a right to own a gun?

    guns can be used for legal and illegal purposes, just like a knife
     
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    I wasn't suggesting that you are an expert. I was asking what plan you might offer to change things. In my field of work it was customary, when one observed a situation where change might be warranted, to not only point out the problem but to also offer a plan of action to change things. You seem to suggest that gun control is a way to reduce murders and suicides. How would you implement gun control?
     
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    And you believe in invisible people with wings.

    LOLOL~!
     
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    We have them all around here, they are called gnats and are even more annoying then their non-winged brethren known as progressive liberals.

    By the way the term progressive liberal is an oxymoron, there is nothing progressive or liberal they offer to society, they are actually regressive and anti liberal.
     
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    I dont mind guns and even use them and I am for 2nd amendment rights. However I feel that a big tax is needed on them then that money used to do buybacks of illegal guns. Illegal guns cause most of the murders imho. They need to be taken off the streets.
     
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    There is no legitimate ground for the taxation of the legal exercise of constitutional rights. Even if there was, it has been proven repeatedly that so-called "buyback" operations to absolutely nothing to address firearms possessed by criminals, as they are not the ones surrendering their firearms to law enforcement. And whatever minuscule amount may be obtained, is immediately replaced within hours, going by sales estimates.

    Firearm buyback operations are nothing more than political theater, promoted and supported by those who favor style over substances, because they do not wish to invest the time and effort in truly addressing the problem at hand.
     
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    The violates the constitution in exactly the same manner as a similar tax on abortions.
    All guns are legal, and no gun has ever caused a murder.
     
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    No all guns are not legal when you file off the serial number or the gun is a stolen gun it is illegal.
     
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    I see you stepped away from your taxation idea. Good call.

    A stolen gun is still a legal gun - someone possesses it illegally.

    A gun w/o a serial number is not necessarily illegal, while removing a serial number is always illegal. Guns manufactured with the intent to sell must have a serial number placed upon it by the manufacturer, but simple possession of a gun which has had its S/N removed is not illegal.
     
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    Do you believe all lives have equal value? Please explain and justify your answer.
     
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    When a gun is stolen it does not become "illegal". The gun is still the same gun; the person who stole it is a thief.
     
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    That is why stolen guns can be legally sold once recovered.
     
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    The implication in your post is very offensive.
     
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