Legal in Australia, able to kill 17 peope in 3 minutes

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    An owner of this gun, legal in Australia and for sale in Perth, is more than able to kill 17 people in 3 minutes. Lever action - quick, and slick!

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    https://www.steelosgunsandoutdoors.com.au/product/adler-a110-12g-28-synthetic-lever-action-shotgun/

    An owner of this gun, legal in Australia and for sale in Darwin, is more than able to kill 17 people in 3 minutes. A semi-auto -- who knew?

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    https://www.winchesteraustralia.com.au/products/0118062004

    An owner of this gun, legal in Australia and for sale in Melbourne, is more than able to kill 17 people in 3 minutes.
    TRIPLE-barrel 12gau. Nice.
    Americans can get by with 2 barrels -- why do Aussies need 3?

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    https://www.mialls.com.au/product/akkar-mammut-model-3/

    An owner of this gun, legal in Australia and for sale in Sydney, is more than able to kill 17 people in 3 minutes.
    Another semi-auto!

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    https://www.safarifirearms.com.au/collections/shotguns/products/a300-outlander-synth-30in-mc-3in-3-1

    An owner of this gun, legal in Australia and for sale in Canberra -- the capital of Oz -- is more than able to kill 17 people in 3 minutes.
    OOoh.... looks scary. Maybe it will be banned soon.

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    https://www.abelasgunshop.com.au/pr...a-stealth-223-rem-16in-10shot-dm-pinned-stock

    Apparently, firearms that can be used to kill 17 people in 3 minutes are legal and widely available across all of Australia, especially its metropolitan areas.

    What can we conclude from all this?
    -The fact Australia did not have a mass shooting yesterday has nothing to do with the legal availability of suitable firearms.
    -The Aussie who claims they banned guns that can be used in armed robbery either lied or spoke from ignorance.
     
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    I thought they didn't need guns in Australia, at least that is what our resident bird tweets constantly.
     
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    Delete - responded to wrong topic
     
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    Did they ban assault clips yet?
     
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    Must have, I haven’t seen them for sale anywhere
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    Oh hey! Looks like I was correct!

    A mass shooting in Oz!
    Weapon used: A shotgun!

    How long before the Aussies jerk their knees and ban/confiscate shotguns?
     
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    By a criminal who should have never been released from prison.

    Melbourne, Australia -- A man who was out on parole was arrested after fatally shooting four men and wounding a woman in an hour-long downtown rampage Tuesday in the northern Australian city of Darwin, police said. Police did not reveal a motive for the shotgun attack, but ruled out terrorism.

    Now with all of their ridiculous gun laws, how did a criminal get his hands on a shotgun and ammo?

    Could it be criminals laugh at gun laws and just do as they please?

    And for those anti's who claim no one needs a gun the modern world has 911, how was it this criminal remained on the streets for an hour shooting people?
     
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    It does not matter how often or how effectively one illustrates the fallacies of the anti-gun left, they choose to remain true to their anti-gun dogma.
     
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    Such will not stop mass killings Oz has had a number of mass killing where knives or arson was the tool of choice.

    Until people get it through their heads that criminals are the problem, not the tool they use mass killings of innocent law abiding people will continue to happen.

    Which makes anti's evil, as they are actually blocking a solution because of their fear and hatred of guns.
     
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    One cannot change the minds of those who do not think and are programmed, but calling them out can change the minds of those who do, but have not been provided with the relevant facts.
     
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    "Common sense" gun control has nothing to do with reducing crime.
     
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    You and I understand that, the reality is it's all about controlling the law abiding and eliminating the private possession of guns, which turns us into sheep waiting to be slaughtered.
     
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    The thing is Australia's gun laws are not as restrictive as many think and as you demonstrated. Many believe that you can't own ANYTHING over there when in reality that's not the case. They've got a lot of guns there too.

    Difference is, even saying that, in a two year time span (12-14) there were 487 total murders there. 13% (63) were via firearm, 38% and 24% were via being stabbed or beaten to death respectively. Even with their small population that's still doing pretty good.

    It gets argued, however, that the reason less people get shot is because they have super strict gun laws. But as demonstrated, you can own guns in Australia that can kill 17 people in 3 minutes. If they can own firearms that can kill 17 people in 3 minutes then how come there aren't more massive amounts of people getting shot to death with guns that can kill 17 people in 3 minutes.

    Statistics show Australia as being one of the safest nations in the civilized world in regards to homicide rates. They're at like 1:100,000 now I believe.

    Australians have access to firearms that can kill 17 people in 3 minutes, but the majority of the victims get stabbed or beaten to death instead.

    Perhaps America needs to take a good hard honest look at what the hell is wrong with it's society seeing how Australia has guns too but they don't have a person getting their head blown off to the tune of literally every 20 or so minutes.

    Australia has a gun ownership rate of around 14.5:100, America is 120.5:100.

    The ratio and the math doesn't add up in comparison. Even though Australia has much less firearms per capita than the US, they should still be having more people shot than they do when directly compared to the US. And so should Canada. And Norway....

    America has a society problem.
     
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    The left refuses to address -that- disease.
    Instead, it chooses to, ineffectively and dishonestly, address a symptom.
     
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    I read a book many years ago where the author quoted something explaining this.

    "When dealing with people, let us remember we are not dealing with creatures of logic. We are dealing with creatures of emotion". Which so very true in regards to almost anything.

    I'm easy, I take any task and I strip it down to the bare metal and I look at it from a pure bare metal perspective.

    Whats the problem? We know what the problem is but we as a society will turn our heads in other directions and try to figure out something else because we are not creatures of logic, we are creatures of emotion.
     
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    And how many of these problems being created with prescription drugs?

    I believe the U.S. leads the world in proscribing drugs for things like depression, anger or suicidal thoughts.

    Could it be once again symptoms are being treated, versus treating the illness or recognizing the fact some people really should be confined, versus allowing them to roam freely within our population where they can and many times do act out their anger against others, most of whom they do not even know?
     
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    Very true.

    The problem is that as you said America leads the world in "mental illness" (I think, if not we're close to the top). Bigger problem is that based on a recent study conducted by Pathologists shows that around 50% of those deceased who were diagnosed with mental illness, nothing was actually physically wrong with their brains. Their entire brains were indistinguishable from those considered "normal".

    We can treat the other half, give people Prozac and Xanax or whatever because medical doctors can see that "yeah you're brain is physically not working properly". The other half? Well there is nothing actually WRONG with them, but there is something wrong with them somehow. And as you said, most people don't even know. There are medically documented cases of folks literally going insane who have nothing physically wrong with their brains.

    That sort of thing is a super complex problem to tackle and while I do 100% agree that more time and energy needs to be focused on the mental health aspect of all this, I can't really blame anybody for not being able to figure out what do to about these people. However, as was the case with many of the previous mass shooters, they DID know something was "wrong" with these people beforehand. That is a slippery slope to tackle but that's where I think we need to start.

    That's why Florida's new "I think you might be crazy so I can take your guns away" law is so controversial and may or may not even be Constitutional, but I get what they are trying to do there. They are trying to tackle the problem at its source and are openly demonstrating just how much of a slippery slope that sort of thing is.
     
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    It is not even an issue of mental health as opposed to mental illness. Rather it is the fact that there are those in society who simply do not believe life holds any value, and who simply do not care about others, so long as they get what they want, even if they have to murder others to get it.
     
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    True, but the only real way to combat that is to first figure out who is actually crazy. Which is a difficult thing to do when many folks who are crazy don't even know they're crazy and most of those who know they're crazy aren't exactly gonna tell anybody.

    And when talking about Rights, that becomes a pretty tough problem to tackle. As I stated before, rights are rights, I don't have to prove myself worthy of exercising my own rights, I have to prove myself unworthy of being allowed to exercise my rights.

    How exactly do we justify revoking someones Constitutional Rights when they haven't actually done anything wrong yet? That's why that Florida law is questionable to me. I get what they are trying to do but half of me isn't comfortable with that. But in all reality they are kind of on the right track. Nobody is psychic, this isn't Minority Report. If we want to stop crime before it happens then we sort of have to start doing something like that unless we are willing to just accept that everything we do will always just be reactive instead of proactive.
     
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    And... nothing from the anti-gun Aussies.
     
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    Yeah but their violent crime per capita is still way lower than ours.

    I said it before we have to be careful with messing with per capita numbers and looking at just the raw data without taking into consideration other logical factors...

    If looking just at raw numbers Antarctica literally has 3x the amount of violent crime per capita as the United States because 1 person was stabbed down there awhile ago and there's only around 700 people there at any given time...Nobody would ever actually try to use that as an argument and be taken seriously though.

    If 4 people were killed in a shooting in the US that would be like second page news over here. 4 people killed in a shooting in Australia is international headlines. That alone tells you something....America has a way bigger problem with shootings than Australia and a few isolated incidents in Aussie that makes their numbers look funny due to their population being less than Florida isn't gonna change that reality.
     
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    Semi-automatic rifles are not legal for ordinary citizens to purchase. They can be obtained by private citizens if they run an associated business. You see semi-auto rifles listed for sale all the time, but you can't buy them without a highly restrictive license that you or I cannot get.

    Lever actions are pretty uncontroversial. People can cycle bolts pretty quick, they're still not semi-automatic. You cycle in the next round manually. Tubular magazines tend to make lever actions a lot less useful for mass shootings.

    Semi-auto shotguns with tubular mags can be obtained by ordinary citizens in exceptional circumatances.

    Semi-auto handguns with 10rd detachable mags can be obtained by anyone who puts in 6 months of effort at a club.

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    The harshness of our system isn't the scheduling itself so much as it is the attitude of the police. They stretch the law to the most extreme point they can, to make the process so onerous that nobody bothers.

    They have been caught by the judicial system on numerous occasions acting extrajudicially, knowingly beyond the scope of law.

    The scheduling ain't so bad. Sure, it's useless at deterring crime or mass shootings, but we have pretty much whatever we want except semi-auto rifles.

    Sure, I wish I could have one. It sucks. But hey, we ain't the UK.
     
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    Apparently :)
     
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    What's the significance of 17 people in 3 minutes?
     
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