Legal to shoot cops if car search is "illegal"?

If police find illegal objects in your car during an illegal search, the search will be voided by a court.

No need to shoot police who you believe are engaging in an illegal search.

 

Seems fair. Cops kill people if they "think" their life is somehow threatened, or at least kill people and then claim they "thought" their life was threatened. Does the rule of law exist? Same law for everyone, or are cops above the law (cops are above the law)?

 

so you will willingly accept going to prison when you are found guilty of murder for killing a police officer?

 

Its a rhetorical argument. A cop can pull you over and shoot you - you being completely innocent - and the cop can get away with it by claiming he was "afraid for his life". It happens.

For example, https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...nnocent-women-103-times-wont-be-fired/357771/

The eight Los Angeles police officers who shot at two women over 100 times will not lose their jobs. They won't even be suspended. They'll just get some additional training.

They'll need it, since the shooting happened at the height of the manhunt for cop-killer Christopher Dorner, when police mistook two women delivering newspapers in a blue Toyota Tacoma pickup truck for one man hellbent on revenge in a charcoal Nissan Titan pickup truck and shot at them 103 times. One of the women, who was 71 at the time, was hit twice in the back.​

When a cop pulls you over, and you are in true fear for your life, why can't you shoot the cop?

 

if you fear for your life because he is arresting you, you better not shoot that cop.

if you fear for his life because he is threatening to kill you because you are a Muslim and he says he wants to kill a Muslim today, that's a different story.

if you are being searched or arrested, you MUST comply.

 

We’re not talking about a perceived threat to life, just a perceived breach of the law. A police officer searching your vehicle when they don’t have the legal right to do so poses zero direct threat at all, let alone to life.

 

Im sure BLM and the Black Panthers would LOVE to hear that its ok to shoot a cop if they search your car "illegally".

 

I disagree. A Law Enforcement Officer has great authority including the use of unregulated deadly force. On a whim, the Law Enforcement Officer can stop a completely innocent person, detain him, search his vehicle, arrest him, confiscate his cash, and place him into the nightmare that is the "justice" system. If the Law Enforcement Officer simply feels someone is a threat to his life, he can kill that person, and is almost guaranteed to get away with it.

The mere presence of a Law Enforcement Officer is a threat (there are no "police", there are only servants of the State, they are called Law Enforcement Officers because their role is not to protect and serve and support the community, but to enforce the decrees of the State).

So the question remains open. A cop can kill you simply because he perceives you to be a threat to him. Why can't you kill a cop if you perceive him to be a threat to you? Does the rule of law apply? If not, why are cops allowed to murder with impunity?

 

Are you saying we should be free to kill anyone we think is a police officer on sight!?!

No, the OP question was about using deadly force because you think a search is illegal. You’re asking an entirely different question.

Anyone can legitimately use deadly force against anyone else if they reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent an imminent threat to their life or someone else’s. Of course, they will likely be expected to justify that belief after the fact. The only real difference for police officers is that they’re more commonly expected to put themselves in situations where their lives are in danger. Any issues of corruption or bias in the legal system in favour of officers who kill people is something of a separate issue. It doesn’t change any of the underlying principles.

 

sounds like Anarchism

 

if a cop is threatening to kill you because you are threatening his life or the life of another, you have no right to use deadly force against him.

 

Of course not. The presence of a Law Enforcement Officer presents a threat, the degree of threat is not life threatening until the Law Enforcement Officer's words or actions elevate the threat.

Not really. You can say "No" to a search, but that more likely gets you in trouble, he will search and make up an excuse, he will call a K-9 and at the slightest motion from the dog will declare the dog alerted, you will be detained while your cars contents are thrown on the ground, the car possibly partially dismantled. If he finds" something (whether you put it there or he did), you get to go to jail and get fully involved with the "justice" system, and it will stay in your history for everyone to see for the rest of your life.

That's a serious threat which can ruin your life.

Or instead of just sitting on the ground with a goon standing over you while your car is searched, try to actually assert your rights (to prevent an illegal search) to a Law Enforcement Officer and see how quickly you get arrested and charged with interfering or assaulting the Officer.

A search is not just a simple event as you think it is.

Wrong. Cops kill totally innocent people all the time including chldren, and almost never are held accountable. The entire system from their union to the Police Dept to the state attorneys actively sides with the killer cop.

And people who do kill a cop and are totally justified, are treated as murderers and go through long court cases - if the cops don't just kill them.

Do you honestly believe you can kill a cop for any reason and be treated fairly, much less treated in the same manner as a cop who kills someone is treated?

 

only to criminals

 

And they exploit this authority to abuse people more often if their victims belong to minority groups just like Nazis did in Germany.

 

only if the person he killed had a weapon or was in some other logical way a threat to the officer or the public.

if a cop shoots a guy mowing his law, that cop is going to prison

 

If you consider law enforcement officers in your country an implicit threat, one of three things are true. Your country is fundamentally corrupt, in which case I recommend you leave that country and move somewhere civilised, you're a career criminal, in which case I recommend you change your ways or you're pathologically paranoid, in which case I recommend you seek professional help.

 

At one time your right to resist unlawful arrest was recognized. It still is, in some states. Authoritarian conservative bootlickers and their authoritarian progressive allies would see that long ended and completely forgotten if given half a chance.

However, that doesn't rise to the level of shooting someone for searching the car or even damaging property. At best, the marauding government bureaucrat ought to be held civilly, and possibly criminally, liable for said unlawful search. Homicide and assault must be reserved for imminent threats. And, again, authoritarians of all stripes would disarm (literally and figuratively) private citizens and immunize their armed bureaucrats.

 

He'll just say it looked like a gun, his fellows will up hold it, his union will protect him, and the prosecutor will declare it murder one, knowing no jury would convict him for that charge.

 

Or, you aren't a bootlicking sheep who claims to be for small government but wants to immunize armed government bureaucrats from accountability and empower politicians to utterly destroy privacy.

 

You mean like the cop who knocked on the door of a home (and it was the wrong home) and shot the boy who answered the door because the boy had something in his hand (a wii controller)? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ps-front-door-family-lawyer-article-1.1619842

You mean like the cop who shot an unarmed and completely innocent man in a stairwell? https://www.usnews.com/news/us/arti...officer-to-be-sentenced-in-stairwell-shooting

Like the cop who burst into a home and shot a sleeping 7 year old girl in the head, and then blamed the childs grandmother until a film crew who was on the scene exposed the lie? https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/17/aiyana-stanley-jones-joseph-weekley-trial_n_5824684.html

Like the cop who threw a flash bang into a baby's crib (and the cops were raiding the wrong home), severely injuring the baby, and who then blamed the parents? https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/07/us/georgia-toddler-stun-grenade-no-indictment/

None of those cops went to prison. You utterly fail.

 

99.99% of cops are law-abiding and professional

 

My country is the USA, so you were close in the option of "your country is fundamentally corrupt". Your other 2 options don't apply - I'm certainly not a criminal, I'm not pathological.

You left out a fourth possibility - experience with Law Enforcement and the "justice" system from within the system itself, witnessing the abuses, listening to state attorneys and cops as they work to get a conviction regardless of innocence or guilt.

 

sorry but the only way to deal with corruption and abuses within the police system is through legislation, lobbying, protests, and other non-violent means.

anything else is TREASON

 

And you were wrong. You were completely refuted, and now you resort to statistics (unfounded statistics).

 

Irrelevant post.