legalize all drugs - free money and freedom

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  1. Sab

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    I want to know about these acts of violence committed by people on Acid . Not interested in apocryphal anecdotes
     
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    So it is immoral to engage in any activity that does not benefit other people?
     
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    No, that's not exactly what I'm saying. It's not inherently immoral to engage in an activity which doesn't benefit other people.

    What I'm saying is that the negative side effects of drug being legal (car accidents, crimes that people commit while high, such as rape, murder, theft, etc), far outweigh the pros, which are nothing. There are no benefits to drug being legal, and there are lots of horrible and negative consequences to drugs being legal. The reason that drugs should stay illegal is because there are no pros to drugs being legal, which outway the horrible side effects of drugs being legal.
     
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    I believe the right may be misdiagnosing the Body politic.

    Why not have the same moral attitude toward the abomination of hypocrisy as a moral in modern times?
     
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    What does hypocrisy have to do with this?
     
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    negative side effects of hypocrisy being legal. moral turpitude should never be indulged.
     
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    So you think that Tobacco and Alcohol should also be illegal.
     
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    Considering how many people use drugs, it seems that they see the benefits of using them. What makes you so special that you can decide what other people should see as beneficial to themselves and which makes it right and proper to put them in cages and destroy their lives for doing something that you wouldn't do?
     
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    And is it, in your eyes, a moral imperative of government to punish people for what you believe to be moral turpitude? Sam believes it to be so. If it's the case for you, perhaps you can explain where, objectively, the line is crossed such that government should punish immoral, but victimless, behavior and where it should not.
     
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    Maybe we really just need to petition a Pope for a contingent of subject matter specialists who can Inquire into the moral rectitude of Persons in offices of Public Trust, whenever they claim to subscribe to the moral absolutism of Religion.
     
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    What does this have anything to do with drug legalization?
     
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    Did you forget, already? It has to do with the moral goodness of bearing true witness to our own laws, simply for the sake of our immortal souls and a McCarthy era phrase in our pledge; and, not only that, the only Delegated and social Power to Prohibit forms of Commerce among the several States was repealed as a bad idea in modern times--simply because the cure was worse than the disease.
     
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    Drugs should not be legal. After some kind of program is done to kill all the fanatic pot heads' fanaticism then they should let weed and even shrooms be legal but thats it. So in the end alcohol, tobacco, weed, and shrooms should be legal but only after something is done so that these things can be legalized without people going crazy over it. Also none of these things should be allowed to be encouraged or advertised. It should be strictly a personal choice.
     
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    I believe we should merely ask our central planners in our federal Congress

    to appropriate income through Taxation,

    and merely transfer that income in a manner not incompatible with Socialism's goals of from "each according to their ability to each according to their need", in our political-economy

    for free, merely by standing around and talking about it without the Use of money being involved,

    and being Social enough to take a voice vote on the social dilemma involved,

    to have it enacted as a non-capital, but Social law in our republic.

    Since supply side economics should be supplying us with better governance at lower cost; simply regulating Commerce well among the several States should engender a climate where socialism can enable Capitalism and capital programs to flourish, and where multibillion dollar pharmaceuticals can build multimillion dollar labs, to create better products at lower prices.
     
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    Why are you saying that ecstasy is less harmful than alcohol? People die from hyperthermia while taking esctasy. That's why it's illegal. It's a very dangerous drug.
     
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    That's not what I said. I never said that drugs should be illegal because it's immoral to engage in activities which don't benefit others. All I said was this: banning drugs saves many innocent people from being the victims of drug-induced crimes/car accidents. Drug use has caused a lot of heartache and suffering in society. Lots of people have lost friends and family members to drugged drivers, etc. Since banning drugs reduces drug use, it saves lives.
     
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    I'm conflicted here. I want personal autonomy as a rational agent, but I also want the government to protect the public.

    Stupid people will overdose or take deadly drugs. I don't feel right about that being legal. On the other hand, criminalizing fairly harmless substances for no good reason is nonsense, and prisons are filled with 'harmful' pot smokers who shouldn't be in there.
     
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    Only Nanny-Statist who refuse to burden their constituents with Nanny-State tax rates tend believe that line of reasoning; while being willing to burden them with wars and analogies to wars that may not be necessary, except for that form of Prohibition.
     
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    People die from prescription drugs as well. They should also be illegal. What difference does it make if a doctor prescribes it or they get it from a friend if they are dying?

    If people are too stupid to pay attention to the warnings, and use the body that is issued to them by government in a way that is bad, then they should be put in a cage. I agree with you!
     
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    So it's a moral imperative for government to save lives? if that's the case, then all unnecessary driving should be banned. Many people kill others on the road just by making simple mistakes. A child in my area was killed when his parents stopped on the freeway because they missed their exit. They were coming back from a sports events. They weren't on drugs or impaired in any way. That child's life could have been saved prohibiting unnecessary driving, such as attending sports events.

    Do you want to save as many lives as possible or is it just drugs that are bad? There are many things that get people killed that they don't need to be doing for purposes of survival. Please explain why only certain drugs should be prohibited and not all those activities which lead to death or maiming.
     
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    You don't get what I'm trying say. I am asking you why you believe that ecstasy is less harmful than alcohol. Both drugs damage the brain, kidneys, liver, cause mental health issues, etc. I don't get why you think that alcohol is somehow worse than ecstasy.
     
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    One, thag was a statement from the article and two, I don't car if it is more or less dangerous. It Is not the job of government to eliminate risk, and that includes not ruining the lives of people because there is some risk associated with their activities.
     
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    No.

    It's totally moral, since highly addictive, or mind-altering drugs, can cause people under their influence to commit violent acts against others which they normally would not - since their body is physically dependent on it, and/or they are in a psychotic state (such as the lunatics who started hearing voices while on PCP, and dismembered friends or family members believing they were possessed by demons, etc).

    Pot isn't in the same league
     
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    Do you support legalizing pot?
     
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    Yes.

    Harder stuff like PCP, heroin, meth, probably not
     

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