Legislation in an Islamic State

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    From the viewpoint of Islam and reason, all human beings have been created equal; no individual enjoys any inherent right of sovereignty and guardianship (wilayah) over others. Race, nationality, geographical location, class none of these factors confers any right of sovereignty on any individual or group. God, the Almighty, is the Master of the universe, and it is He Who is the Sovereign over all creatures. All are equal before Him, and none enjoys any preferential right of sovereignty over others. *(1)


    It is evident that a society without a State and a system of laws cannot hope to survive, and even if it does, presumably, it cannot be a society of a high order that can cater to all the needs and demands of the human nature. The existence of social order is an essential need confirmed by all Divine religions.

    In an anarchic society devoid of any system of law and order, neither prophethood can fulfil the objectives of its mission of guiding the people, nor is there any ready ground for the worship of God and implementation of His commands.

    https://www.al-islam.org/al-tawhid/...state-ahmad-jannati/legislation-islamic-state


    *(1)
    3:67 Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian (Person of the Book) but he was a Monotheist, a Muslim. And he was not of the Polytheists.

    3:68 The people most deserving of Abraham are those who followed him, and this prophet, and those who believe. God is the Guardian of the believers.

    3:69-71 A party of the People of the Book would love to lead you astray, but they only lead themselves astray, and they do not realize it. O People of the Book! Why do you reject the revelations of God, even as you witness? O People of the Book! Why do you confound the truth with falsehood, and knowingly conceal the truth?

    3:79 No person to whom God has given the Scripture, and wisdom, and prophethood would ever say to the people, "Be my worshipers rather than God's." Rather, "Be people of the Lord, according to the Scripture you teach, and the teachings you learn."

    3:82 Whoever turns away after that - these are deceitful.

    3:108 These are the revelations of God. We recite them to you in truth. God desires no injustice for mankind.

    3:109 To God belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth, and to God all events are referred.

    3:110 You are the best community that ever emerged for humanity: you advocate what is moral, and forbid what is immoral, and believe in God. Had the People of the Scripture believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are the believers, but most of them are sinners.

    3:118 O you who believe! Do not befriend outsiders who never cease to wish you harm. They love to see you suffer. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their hearts conceal is worse. We have made the messages clear for you, if you understand.



    It is evident that a society without a State and a system of laws cannot hope to survive, and even if it does, presumably, it cannot be a society of a high order that can cater to all the needs and demands of the human nature. The existence of social order is an essential need confirmed by all Divine religions.

    In an anarchic society devoid of any system of law and order, neither prophethood can fulfil the objectives of its mission of guiding the people, nor is there any ready ground for the worship of God and implementation of His commands.


    'In a society with disbelievers being a majority',.. it is evident that a society without a State and system of laws cannot hope to survive.....
     
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    God is not philosophy.

    God is a Living Being, a Living Person, per se.

    God Lives. God Breathes. God Sees. God Hears. God Moves. God Lives.

    Idols do no live. Idols do not breathe. Idols do not see. Idols do not move. Idols are not alive.
     
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    Isaiah 44:9-17
    "They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they aretheir own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed. 10Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing? 11Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be ashamed together.

    12The smith with the tongs both worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with the strength of his arms: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth: he drinketh no water, and is faint. 13The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house. 14He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it.15Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto. 16He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire: 17And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god."
     
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    From the viewpoint of Islam and reason, all human beings have been created equal; no individual enjoys any inherent right of sovereignty and guardianship (wilayah) over others. Race, nationality, geographical location, class none of these factors confers any right of sovereignty on any individual or group. God, the Almighty, is the Master of the universe, and it is He Who is the Sovereign over all creatures. All are equal before Him, and none enjoys any preferential right of sovereignty over others. *(1)


    Are believers just as equal as those who take part of the wood for fire and the other part for fuel for the fire and bow themselves to their own creation and say, 'you are my god'?


    Are the obedient ones to parents just as equal to the disobedient to parents ones?
     
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    Being 'obedient' to parents is not a philosophy.
     
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    The Word of God is just as Sure and Grounded as philosophy is on waters and seas.
     
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    Isaiah 1:16-20

    "Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

    17Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

    18Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

    19If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

    20But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it."


    Isaiah 1:21-23

    "How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.

    22Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:

    23Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them."


    Isaiah 1:27-28

    "Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.

    28And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed."


    Zion = True Believers


    Isaiah 1:29-31

    "For they shall be ashamed of the oaks which ye have desired, and ye shall be confounded for the gardens that ye have chosen.

    30For ye shall be as an oak whose leaf fadeth, and as a garden that hath no water.

    31And the strong shall be as tow, and the maker of it as a spark, and they shall both burn together, and none shall quench them."
     
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    Galatians 3:19

    "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."


    Why is 'law' needed in a State and society? Not only the Law of God but also the 'law' of the 'land'? Because of transgressions.


    Who opposes the 'Law'? Why would anyone have a desire to oppose the 'law' of another who lives in Goodness? Which Country opposes 'laws' which are set to govern the citizens? Why is there a need for any 'law' to be changed or removed?


    The greatest answer:

    Globalization


    Which 'Faith/Religion' has Globalization as one of its desires?

    Which Country(ies) prefer Globalization over the Good Laws within their own Land(s)?
     
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    G L O B A L - I Z - A - T - I O N
     
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    [​IMG]
    ........................^
    ........................ ^ Earth's Solar System


    In the Milky Way Galaxy.
     
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    For many years scientists have studied our own solar system. But until the last few years, we knew of no other solar systems. This may seem surprising, as the Sun is one of about 200 billion stars (or perhaps more) just in the Milky Way galaxy alone.

    https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/review/dr-marc-space/solar-systems-in-galaxy.html


    A star is called a "sun" if it is the center of a planetary system. A large number of planets have been found that orbit other stars, thus making these stars officially "suns." Chances are that a large percentage of the stars in the galaxy also have planets orbiting them, which would make them suns as well. The number of extrasolar planets that have been detected is increasing very rapidly, as we find new planetary systems. So a large number of the stars that you see are also suns. However, many objects in the night sky are not stars. You mentioned man-made satellites, planets and the moon. From earth, there are many other objects that we see as points of light, such as far-away galaxies, so not every point of light is a star!

    http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/ph...-difference-between-a-star-and-a-sun-beginner
     
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    200 Billion stars, or Suns, in the Milky Way Galaxy, in an observable Universe with over 100 Billion Galaxies.


    With Earth being just a T - I O N within The Observable Universe, why is there so much difficulty in keeping things right and correct?
     
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    Earth is the 3rd Planet from the Sun.

    All the Nations of the Earth are on this 3rd Planet from the Sun.


    Isaiah 40:15 "Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing."
     
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    I ask myself this question....

    With Earth being such a small planet within The Observable Universe, and seeing that all the Nations of the Earth are on Earth, why would it be difficult for God to keep The Earth in a well regulated, well ordered manner?


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    Salam.
     
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    Maybe it's because of such 'seats' and 'authorities' as these as examples.




     
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    So you cherry pick verses, some from the Qur'an, most from the OT.

    Why is it Muhammed never followed these.
     
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    On average, I would presume that the average human being speaks approximately 20 to 25 words per minute if they are given the opportunity to not watch their talkings.
     
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    Muhammed was not around when Abraham was around. The Torah, the Jews, the Christians, the Muslims, were not around when Abraham was around.

    Muhammed was not around when they argued about Mary.

    3:44 These are accounts from the unseen, which we reveal to you; you were not with them when they cast their lots as to which of them would take charge of Mary; nor were you with them as they quarreled.



    But however, of Mary, it is said:

    3:42 The angels said, "O Mary, God has chosen you, and has purified you. He has chosen you over all the women of the world.

    3:45 The Angels said, "O Mary, God gives you good news of a Word from Him. His name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, well-esteemed in this world and the next, and one of the nearest.
     
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    Nor was the Kab'ba and Mecca.
    Mecca was first inhabited in the 4th century by the Jurimin. then another, I forget the name, but I can look it up, then the Quaresh.
    The Jurimen built the first Kab'ba. Just a pile of rocks.
     

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