Lend your son your car, lose it to a state

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Speeding tickets many many years ago (two people), but they were treated with respect on each occasion, not as criminals. Parking tickets here are not issued by police.
     
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    As a LEO, the highlighted statement is false, parking tickets are issued by Police Officers, Fire hydrants, double parking, and other more serious parking violations.
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think in NY anyhow, you have to be either a police officer or peace officer in order to issue a parking ticket or uniform ticket.
     
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    Traffic enforcement agents also issue parking tickets, but not moving violations, they are not peace officers as they are not charged with keeping the peace.
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    Maybe in America, but not here. That is to say, if someone is flagrantly and dangerously parked, and a police officer is handy, they'll ticket them. Otherwise it's done by local council rangers.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My daughter served a community as a police cadet for some years. She graduated college and had worked for 6 months for the Concord Police Department as an intern. There she was assigned parking ticket duty. I shall ask her again to be positive but i recall her saying that she had not been yet sworn in, but was giving parking tickets. Those are not moving violations.
     
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    Correct.
     
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    Uh.huh...


    Police brought in a drug-sniffing dog, which registered a positive hit on the vehicle, and officers found more than $31,700 in cash, “personal use” marijuana, and drug paraphernalia in the car, police reports state.

    The officers arrested Shea on charges of possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia, and money laundering. Shea was released, and as of Sept. 26, there weren’t any pending criminal charges against him.
     
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    parking tickets are issued by Fire hydrants, double parking,

    Huh?
     
  10. RodB

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    What does any of this have to do with confiscating the car? It did not commit a crime; it wasn't evidence of the crime; all it was was money in police pockets.
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    The cars of people who stay well away from crime and criminal type people, are rarely - if ever - confiscated. Why would they be?
     
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    You're still going down that dead end that people should know everyone who is a criminal or who might be a criminal and stay miles away form all of them. That person has to move a lot -- probably all the time.
     
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    republicans love to hurt Americans over their silly war on drugs, they 100% support the police taking your car, your house, whatever
    unless your a corp, then they will protect you from such silly laws
     
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    That amount of cash with the drugs and dog sniffing evidence IS proof of him being a drug dealer normal people don't have that much cash laying around in a car even if it was five grand it would be enough evidence under the law of criminal activity. But to get it back they only need to go to court, prove its legally held money and they can try to get it and the car back. You voted people into power who made these laws and not enough people complained when these were being passed to prevent it.
     
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    Mostly true. Normal law enforcement can hold the person and confiscate the cash and drugs for evidence. The car would not be evidence and non-draconian police would not confiscate it. Besides it is not a confiscation law, it is a forfeiture law.
    I didn't knowingly vote for anyone who made these laws. Besides knowledge of the law was scarce, as 95% are, and it wasn't described as the way it turned out -- it was supposed to cover only evident ill-gotten gains for the drug business by kingpins. The (Mich.) law was fought to the US Supreme Court and lost in a completely ludicrous decision by my otherwise good guy, Rehnquist.
     
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    Not in the least. Most people manage to live out their lives without attracting any negative attention from the police. Takes very little effort .. no effort at all in fact. You have to go out of your way to associate with criminals, really.
     
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    It's just simply police and state corruption.
     
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    In your limited venue, in the real World,
    Not so much.
    I see much, without going out of my way, and lots of people go to Prison.
     
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    Such laws can easily be struck down in district court.

    They are unconstitutional because the owner of the car has no way of knowing if they are breaking the law. It is not illegal to loan a car. The owner does not know the borrower will do something wrong nor is responsible for this kind of damage. Yet they are punished anyway.

    A car crash is different, because we know accidents can happen.
     
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    People go to Prison, stupid People go to Prison at Mach speeds.
    Maybe faster.

    My cousin was one such bloke.

    He was a licensed and Armed Security Guard, and he met Freinds after work, drove them to a 7-11 and waited in the car, they jumped in and said;
    Drive !

    Later, Police served a warrant and arrested the complete flock of clowns..

    Even though he was innocent, he spent years in Prison.
     
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    He should have gotten out of the car, or called the police as soon as he could.

    That is a tough situation, since he could be harmed if he resists them, but convicted if he does not. If a chase ensued, he should have pulled over as soon as possible. When questioned, he should have cooperated instead of taking the 5th. I don't know the story, but I suspect he made several mistakes that lead the police to see him as part of the problem. A decent defense lawyer would have pointed these facts out to the jury and gotten him acquitted. The only issue is whether they would have killed him for snitching.
     
  22. DoctorWho

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    At the time he did not know anything was wrong, or that his "friends" had just robbed the 7-11, he did not know until he was arrested and charged.
     

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