Less the 2% of American whites owned slaves?

Somehow the link was sabotaged....let me try again..............http://www.gutenberg.org/files/31219/31219-h/31219-h.htm

 

Well thanks for very clearly making clear that your theories are based upon race.

And that you think slavery was a good thing.

How amazingy vile.

 

It really was not a question of whether slavery was good....it was needed....there is no economic system on earth that is perfect. Capitalism has the best record for doing the most for all people yet it has many faults...is capitalism good? Well ..just depends on how you define good?...I would say it is preferable if not over regulated...which is what has happened in America...thus our economic and social mess...thus capitalism has failed in America.

So what we desperately need now is a new economic system...one that will take advantage of our huge potential pool of cheap labor....we have the labor force that could compete with and even surpass China...we simply are not utilyzing it due to political factors.

Would you call China's economic system vile? Whatever it is....it works....it has enabled China to leap frog all other nations.......spending greater and greater amounts on their military budget...whilst we are forced to cut back on our military spending --placing our National Security in danger.

If the present economic sucess of China continues in a few short years they will have the most powerful military on Earth.

 

But here you are, attempting justify the vile practice of owning human beings. You think it was a successful system- and oddly believe it brought great wealth for all America.

It may have been a successful economic system for those who benefitted from it, but it wasn't for those who were slaves, or for those who didn't own slaves, or didn't buy and sell slaves.

Any system which includes the selling of children to potential pedophiles is not a successful system. How many of the slave owners were pedophiles? We will never know.

Some of the things you say are just so reprehensible that they deserve their own space:

"Now regarding the beating of slaves...B]sometimes it was nessacary to do that[/B]....spare the rod and spoil the child sorta thing."

What an incredibly vile mindset.

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But here you are, attempting justify the vile practice of owning human beings. You think it was a successful system- and oddly believe it brought great wealth for all America.

It may have been a successful economic system for those who benefitted from it, but it wasn't for those who were slaves, or for those who didn't own slaves, or didn't buy and sell slaves.

Any system which includes the selling of children to potential pedophiles is not a successful system. How many of the slave owners were pedophiles? We will never know.

Some of the things you say are just so reprehensible that they deserve their own space:

"Now regarding the beating of slaves...B]sometimes it was nessacary to do that[/B]....spare the rod and spoil the child sorta thing."

What an incredibly vile mindset.

 

LoL, all credibility was lost a long time ago, it amazes me the amount of crap the mods allow here....

 

Not in favor of any type of "ownership" of another human being, however, perhaps you can clarify why welfare is distributed to 6 times as many blacks (relative to whites) and approximately 3 times as many hispanics (relative to whites). How does DISCRIMINATION solve discrimination? Or are you proposing something more vile like a tax upon USA society to absolve YOUR ancestors racism. It clearly wasn't mine. Those poor slobs didn't arrive to the USA until 1900. Let's start talking about how YOU SFJEFF are going to pay the blacks. Bring me into the equation and you will get an instant civil war.

 

LoL, and there's the real issue, it's about giving welfare to blacks and Hispanics huh?.....so bad to the point that you will go to war to prevent welfare to minorities, but welfare to whites is fine...

Tell me, since you broke down the percentage of welfare to minorities, what is the total dollar amount given to minorities vs whites?

 

Sounds like your job AH. And don't make stuff up or I'll research it and expose you like the fraud that you are.

 

The idea that anything whatsoever needs to be done to, or done for, anybody of this time period because of the injustices of 150+ years ago, is as stupid an idea as anything i've ever heard of, and I have nothing but disgust at anyone peddling that crap.

 

Do you realize how narrow and limited your thinking is there? Come on, be realistic.

 

ABSOLUTE FRAUD, Reference?

 

One MSNBC reference and I am done here. You can languish in your ignorance.

 

My thinking is neither. Just like with that White Privilege thread that's bouncing around out there, whatever problems/inequities exist is unquantifiable and unknowable. Anyone proposing a solution to a problem that cannot even be properly defined is a fool acting out of emotion and nothing else. It doesn't get more narrow-minded than emotional thinking.

I can sit here and judge the standards of the past all day long. But acting on them is akin to taking a time machine and putting everyone back then on trial for what is seen today as crimes against humanity. It's ludicrous.

 

What I'm saying is, you cannot say welfare is reparations for blacks, if blacks are not the only demographic receiving welfare.

 

Sexism is unquantifiable, as well as hate, racism, perversion, or any of that sort, and yet society takes steps to check these things. They don't just sit back and complain that it is "unquantifiable" and "unknowable".

 

There are people capable of knowing and quantifying much more than your claim above acknowledges. Actually, there are experts in the field of sociology, who are quite capable of defining and describing what you believe cannot be.

Anyone so arrogant as to think that their belief or knowledge exhausts what is or can be known, is also foolish. And I can guarantee you, that what you're saying and what this thread has covered... is in no way equal to any of the properly comprehensive studies or discussions I seen carried out by various experts.

That isn't necessarily so. But I think it is fair and reasonable for individuals (like those relating their incidental experiences here) to be quite emotional over issues of race. It isn't so much a problem as long as they know that they are perfectly objective in what they relate. And certainly, there ARE surely scientific approaches to the very topics this thread touches upon.

And by the very words/views you expressed above... I realize you are no learned expert in these things. Honestly, I don't expect people throwing words around in here to be (experts); not to say that some do not have more foundational knowledge than others.

Well, I can see your approach involves distancing yourself from actually working on the problems. You can elect to go that route... but thank goodness not everyone shares you sensibilities on the related matters.

 

Of course.

I've essentially seen 2 kinds of people in the threads covering this and related topics:

1. Those who are capable and willing to look and see what truly is; those who seek to apply solutions.

and

2. Those who think/pretend that nothing could or should be done about the problems that we are suffering from as human beings.

Those who ignore or blow off the problems (for whatever reasons), are essentially a part of the same.

 

Whites on Welfare are White Being taken care of by Whites....that is the difference.

Guess you can't understand that?

Whites take care of their own.

Blacks take care of no one....they are parasites living off The White Working Class. Call it welfare, call it raparations...same thing...living off the White Man.

 

Why do you think it 'vile' that one human owns another....just a economic system. The same system that allows mexican laborers to come up here illegally so they can be exploited for their cheap labor. The same system that expects a minimum wage employee to be able to support his family.

Bottom Line the Africans who came over here as slaves were better off than their relatives back in Africa...why do you think there never was a movement of Back to Africa?...any other people who were taken from their homeland by force and enslaved...would have hungered to go back to their homeland when they gained their freedom...no so with the Africans...they knew they had it better over here.

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The Benefits of Slavery to the American Econonomy>>>>http://www.writework.com/essay/benefits-slavery-american-economy

 

The Slave Trade Enriched Boston>>>>>>>http://usslave.blogspot.com/

 

Cool, then i'd suggest letting them do their thing and then get back to me. I dont deal with what studies may or may not confirm for my theories of today. You shouldn't either.

Expert in what "things"? Using aspects of the past in order to justify current injustices under the thin veil of righting a wrong, while promising that future studies will confirm what you think you already know? Most assuredly I am not.

I have just reviewed your contributions in this thread. You have said precisely nothing of substance in it, capable apparently of only providing shoddy analysis of other people's posts likewise backed up by...nothing. I would strongly recommend you lay out your position regarding what these "problems" you speak of are exactly and precisely what you want done about it before telling me that I am just distancing myself from working on problems. White Privilege is a problem to you? Cool. Let's hear your analysis of it and your scientific approach to dealing with it. I'd be very interested in hearing what you have to say.