Lessons for Australian republicans

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  1. Diuretic

    Diuretic Well-Known Member

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    There’s a lesson for Australia’s republicans. Go for the ceremonial president model. No executive powers, no referent authority by dint of popular election. We’re seeing the American model failure right now, we should learn from it.
     
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    Maaaaate!! We have been looking to America for bad examples for years!!

    The reason why the last referendum failed was because no one wanted a US style presidency.

    But it goes further than that

    They threaten our health care. We look at America and say "Sod off. Don't want that"

    Someone stands up and screams for open gun access, we look to America and.........:p
     
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    Diuretic Well-Known Member

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    True BB, sadly for them we have a real world example of how not to run a society.
     
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    Didn't the ancient Romans clearly demonstrate just how corrupt governments, and the Government process was, back a few thousand years ago? Just a shame stupidity has infected our species to the point of insanity.
     
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    The main thing is to build in safeguards. Now I don't mean ways to stop things if things go wrong, I mean processes which will stop things from going wrong long before they become an issue. Built in transparency where and to the degree that national security and economic outcomes would be safe.

    I think we are looking at a situation where we have fallen of the horse and are figuring out how to get back on and hopefully stay on. Proponents of a republic are saying "Let's change the horse". Well I say it's the 21st Century, we are a lot more enlightened and have a lot of history to learn from. I say... Let's find a new mode of transport.

    I want my President to have some balls, I want a diplomat, a true Statesman, one that I and the majority of Australians feel would best represent us speaking and dealing with the rest of the world. He would head or diplomatic group, Minister for Trade, Minister for foreign affairs, Minister for Defense etc.

    The Prime Minister would be in charge of domestic affairs.

    This is just the very smallest part of how I would change the government, I would start at council level, give the average person a lot more say.
     
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    Great point. I think they may have been the inventors of republican political theory. Didn't turn out too well for them either.

    On the larger point about corruption - trite to quote Lord Acton but it's so damn true. Whoever we put in power needs to be held accountable. One of the problems with political parties is that tribalism tramples all over accountability. Don't know the answer to that one.
     
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    Well put LRL. We do need to think of a different model, using the horse analogy this one's ready for pasture (I am totally opposed to euthanising a horse simply because it is of no further use to some human).
     
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    Should we dispose of state governments? Rids us of tribalism- all Australians then, not Victorian, Queenslanders etc.
     
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    We should. It's taken us from 1901 to this point but we're still clinging to those old notions.

    We could keep State of Origin though.
     
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    Corruption is rife within every aspect of Local, State and Federal Government and its Departments. Ancient civilisations clearly demonstrated how these Governing systems could be infiltrated and infected through corruption. However, modern civilisations still use these antiquated ancient systems today.

    Remember what Albert Einstein said: " its clinical insanity for someone to do the same thing over & over again and expect a different outcome". LOL

    I think some might be missing the ancient Roman lesson - "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

    I don't think abolishing a few corrupt Government run States in favour of giving more power and authority to known corrupt Federal political parties, who will Govern the entire country is the answer. LOL
     
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    That should not stop us rooting it out

    In the everlasting words of Don Chip "Keep the Bastards honest!"
     
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    History is a fantastic teacher. The internal conflict and destruction of numerous ancient civilisation should be clear examples that giving too much power and authority to individuals without transparency and those individuals being accountable for that power & authority, is a flawed system doomed to failure.

    Modern civilisations like Australia have fallen into the same flawed trap as previous ancient civilisations. Whereby, the citizens have allowed their leaders to give themselves too much power and authority over the citizens. The scales of equality have become totally unbalanced and unsustainable.

    There is enough general information available for anyone to understand that modern political parties and politicians no longer work in the best interests of the constituents they are employed to serve, or the Country they are employed to protect. People only become politicians to get power & authority, and to financially make their lives more enjoyable than yours by suckling on the lucrative tax payer teat. Yes. A few might enter politics for the right reasons, but it doesn't take long before they realise that shutting up and going a long with the Status Quo is more financially favourable, and less troublesome.

    I will simply use Pauline Hanson as one example to demonstrate how the citizens of Australia have given their politicians too much power & authority over the citizens, and how that power & authority can corrupt.

    Tony Abbott (the LNP) waged a personal crusade against Pauline Hanson due to Pauline Hanson not conforming to the accepted political Status Quo. The LNP had the power & authority to persuade and convince the Australian legal system and Court Judge that Pauline Hanson committed electoral fraud, and she was sentenced to jail. That conviction was later overturned and it was proven she didn’t commit any offence. If Tony Abbott didn't have such power & authority over the Australian legal system and a Court Judge, Pauline Hanson would have been given a fair trial and never sentenced to jail in the first place.

    Unless the entire methodology of the political system is changed, then its always going to be a flawed corrupt system, and Albert Einstein’s words will keep ringing in my ears - “its clinical insanity for someone to keep doing the same thing over & over again, and expect a different outcome”..
     
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    My car needs a new ball joint
     
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    You look to America and....no one here cares. You are free to not have guns if you dont want. I look to Australia and see what an island of weak people who sacrafice their own freedom. I cant imagine living in a nation so weak where a woman cant defend herself against being raped or beaten. So I guess we are even. Funny how you wont fight for freedom to own a gun but fight with fervor for your right to kill a defenseless human.
     
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    Lol
     
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    My car isn't handling correctly, I think it needs a new ball joint .
     
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    Who doesn't have guns, I think you have the wrong story.
     
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    Yes only here we can use them for self defense.
     
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    stop turning left. It will correct itself.
     
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    And shooting school kids. And you still have a higher crime rate.
     
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    Funny I have posted what's wrong with my car a couple of times and yet it still isn't going any better.
     
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    we have more people here and more illegal immigrants...of course we have more crime.
    Back to my point...can your wife legally use a gun to defend herself from getting beaten and raped?
     
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    Dear Bruce,

    I hope you can help me here. The other day I set off for work leaving my husband in the house watching the TV as usual.
    I hadn't gone more than a mile down the road when my engine conked out and the car shuddered to a halt.
    I walked back home to get my husband's help.
    When I got home I couldn't believe my eyes.
    He was in the bedroom, dressed in my lingerie with our neighbour Robbo making mad passionate love to him.
    I am 32, my husband is 34 and we have been married for twelve years.
    When I confronted him, he tried to make out that he went into the back yard and they decided to have a beer together and things got a little out of hand.
    When I asked him why he had my lingerie on, he broke down and admitted that he'd been having an affair for six months.
    I told him to stop or I would leave him.
    He was let go from his job six months ago and he says he has been feeling increasingly depressed and worthless.
    I love him very much, but ever since I gave him the ultimatum he has become increasingly distant.
    I don't feel I can get through to him anymore.
    Can you please help?
    Sincerely,
    Susie Fox


    Dear Susie,
    A car stalling after being driven a short distance can be caused by a variety of faults.
    Start by checking that there is no debris in the fuel line. If it is clear, check the clips holding the vacuum lines onto the inlet manifold for air leaks.
    If none of these approaches solves the problem, it could be that the fuel pump itself is faulty, causing low delivery pressure to the carburettor float chamber
    I hope this helps.
    Bruce
     
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    Yeah I think he is right, it happened to me once, it was a faulty feul pump .
     
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    From the stats I have seen, she is much safer because she couldn't if she needed to
     
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