-Let It Be Known What Atheism Truly Is-

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  1. jrr777

    jrr777 Well-Known Member

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    Nice try! The belief in God was around in the very beginning! Man walked with God in the garden in the beginning, thus not only a belief in God from the beginning but an absolute knowledge and truth of His existence. Man had language from the beginning, it was not as told by scientists, claiming Neanderthals first communication was nothing but grunts and moans. No, we had language and it was all one language. Neanderthals is nothing but a pipe dream as to destroy the thought of our heavenly Father. For a man or king cannot ever take from you......God......... and they know this, so they try and try very hard, to take God away from you and everybody on earth. For if we all tried our very best to abide by God and His law's, it would leave kings and queens or world leaders powerless. Obviously this is something they cannot have, so they would snatch up all the inventors and intelligent scientists, (today they get them with money), tell them to deliver their findings in a way that excludes God, or proves God does not exist (can't and won't ever happen). And because it is of their education that deems us successful, we adhere to whatever they tell us, again as to be successful. However in the end (death), what is truly successful? For whatever is acquired by one here on earth, cannot be taken with them after death. So what is success and or education? I'll tell you, a relationship with Jesus and our Father which is in heaven.

    Christianity has never been violent, not once. Some claim that the inquisition was that of Christians, but indeed it was the Roman Catholic Church. Using Christianity for it's powers, yet persecuting and executing true Christians by the millions. As an attempt to change or re-write history. Remember, Jesus told us many shall come in His name, claiming they are Christ and shall deceive many. Nations/kingdoms all throughout mankind's history have done nothing but lie to their people, a sprinkle of truth here and there as any good lie has. Thus requiring that today we are living nothing but lies. Lies is what has gotten us here, thus we are living lies, unable to see the deceptions. As it's written. Lost sheep without a shepherd, well for some anyways, I have my shepherd.
     
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    Nope, never sinned once in my life, ever.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    So if God did explain it in the bible, what mechanism did he use to turn clay into flesh. Because when I blow on clay it doesn't stand up and talk to me.

    Than why are we finding fossils from before the existed of man?
     
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    Uh, scientists don't claim that Neanderthals spoke in "nothing but grunts and moans." A scientist in a relevant field would rather tell you that Neanderthal had the necessary components for human speech. They were close enough to us that they shared these basic traits. Whether their language resembled what homo sapiens sapiens use is another question. We have no data to make any kind of determination. All we can say is that we have no identifiable record of writing from Neanderthals. Oh, and Neanderthals are not our ancestors, barring any mixing that may have taken place between them and our ancestors. They were ancient cousins.
     
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    No, it is the knowledge of good and evil that proves God. What you consider right and wrong, is that of God. Our law's are all based and correspond with the laws of God. It is not until now that some of these laws have been in question. Once one reaches the age of reason, they don't need anybody to tell them what is right and wrong, it is written in them. A serial killer or serial rapist does not go around telling everybody what their doing, they hide it...........because they know it's wrong/evil.

    If you decide to do something and it holds you guilty, you was wrong. The feeling of guilt is the knowledge of wrong doing. Nobody has to know of this guilt either, in fact I know there has been stuff in your life you wish to not tell others, this is guilt, the knowledge of evil. These individual secrets/wrong doings, that we all have, will be justified. It is not something we are going to get away with, which is the only reason for having that guilt.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    The concepts of good and evil don't prove any god. They are concepts that allow for social coexistence and are not unique to humans, although we can obviously articulate and describe these concepts in a way that no other animal can.
     
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    Why is it we(humans) outlawed slavery and your God has not? Why is it we do not allow stoning those who pickup sticks for a fire on Sunday?
     
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    I agree with the last part of your statement, being able to describe things in a way that no other animal can. Matter of fact it is only man/women that can define "animals", yet scientists put us in the same category as them, this helps with the deception.

    As for the first part of your statement, are you saying that it's ok to kill one another, or we are just being "animals" survival of the fittest? If there is no God, what holds you better than someone like Hitler or Napoleon? From your perspective all they was doing was trying to be the king of the jungle. If all we are is animals, what's wrong with that? If there is no God to give judgment for our deeds after death, then according to you, there is nothing wrong with people like Hitler and Napoleon. They received death and we all shall as well. Perhaps with your sort of thinking, vast amounts of more wars, death, murder, rape, shall occur, for again according to you there is nothing wrong with it, and nobody shall be given judgment for it either. So to all those world leaders out there, continue with whatever it is that pleases you, for your judgment is never coming and thus your will be done.
     
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    maat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is the cub that got killed by the new lion king going to get retribution and the new king lion punished in the afterlife? The reality is that everyone dies and life isn't fair. This is why we attempt to limit power and create laws to prevent injustices.
     
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    It seems you do not know God! For God does not allow slavery, he merely knows what man will do with the knowledge of evil, thus he put laws and regulations as to slow the evil doings. It is man that enslaves man, not God. You as someone that does not believe in God should know this. Do not blame the behaviors of man on God, for He gave us choices as to good and evil, and from those choices, we on our own decide. If a nation decides to kill millions, instead of holding that nation responsible, you put it on God, even though you don't believe in Him.

    "Yea know the rules of old, and eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth: but I say unto you, if your brethren smack thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

    KJB- Matthew 22:37-
    34But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

    On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. So where within these two laws do you get slavery is ok?

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    Sounds like an excuse as to proceed with evil doings.
     
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    Our unique ability to speak doesn't mean we're not animals. We can't sing bird song, and we can't detect electricity the way certain hunters, such as sharks, can do. We can't use echo location in the dark. Different animals can do different unique things, but we're all animals regardless.

    As to the acceptability of killing one another, again that ties into social coexistence. The universe doesn't care what we do. Just look around - people aren't zapped by lightning for killing or raping. They live long and prosper if they're not caught and punished by other people. We decide what is right and what is not, and we decide how to punish what is not right. It's all up to us. No gods involved.
     
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    That's where your wrong, life is fair, it just takes death to give judgment. Man can give judgment to man, but we know it's not always accurate, people imprisoned that are actually not guilty. This does not happen with our Father in heaven. He is justice, and 100% accurate. For He knows you, and everything about you.
     
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    This is where you show your colors. God established the 613 commandments. He would be the final authority. It makes no sense for him to sanction things he is apposed to.

    And no, the question does not justify immoral behavior, it is asking if your God created these natural occurrences and if he punishes them in the afterlife, concerning animals.

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    Again, there is no evidence to based this assertion.
     
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    Have you seen any interviews with those who allegedly went to the moon? They all refused to place their hands on the Bible and swear to God that they walked on the moon. Even if they don't believe in God, why not do it for the sake of the public, and if they don't believe in God, why did they quote Genesis while up there? I believe for the greatest achievement in man's history, there is only two interviews, and most of the footage and pictures was lost.

    Did you see the lunar module, that had to fit three men (spacesuits) and a car within it? If you have not done any research on the matter, well that's just another example of accepting what is given without investigation yourself? Which I'm not claiming is the case, again I said if you have not done any research. If you have done any research, more than likely you would be in agreeance with me.

    Notice the Hollywood blast from the takeoff of the moon.
     
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    To think or know of someone who knows you and everything about you, nothing is hidden, is rather terrifying isn't it? Your statement here is to try and exclude such a notion, leaving yourself feeling better about your deeds. However this cannot be done, for our evil deeds will always give us that feeling of guilt. Even if those deeds are not known to anybody, with the exception of course to God.
     
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    I used to believe there was the hidden watcher, but not now because there is no evidence or reason to believe so.

    As to my deeds, they don't merit the attention of a mythical punisher. One of the red flags about Christianity was the absurdness of how it views human nature. I have no problem living up to moral human standards. Your gods standards are ridiculous nonsense.
     
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    lol..........
     
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    jrr777 Well-Known Member

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    That is exactly what they are doing to those who believe we walked, ran, jumped, and drove on the moon. Laughing their a()()es off!!!!!
     
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    no, that is not what everyone reading your posts is laughing at. lol
     
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    Your thoughts on the matter, are written. Your only fulfilling prophecy!

    2 Timothy 3King James Version (KJV)

    3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

    2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

    3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

    4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

    5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

    7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

    9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

    10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

    11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

    12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

    13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

    14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

    15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
     
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    Of course it is the majority that is deceived, this is also written. However everyone laughing at what I wrote, does not discount the fact that those in high places are laughing at you and those who laugh at me.
     
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    You said you researched this. I never take the word of anybody on the Internet. Produce your research and it's sources. Remove all doubt.

    I won't hold my breath

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    Who is they?
     
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    14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

    15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.


    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

    Paul is, of course, talking about the Old Testament scriptures on which Timothy had been brought up.
     
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    The God I believe in is totally in favor of pleasure and against guilt.
     
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    So the only thing that keeps you from being an evil person whom does horrible things is fear that there will be retribution from a purple Rhino which cycles the earth at the speed of light. What ever works for you.
     

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