Let's Assume The Bible Is False

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  1. mbk734

    mbk734 Well-Known Member

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    Are all these Christians wasting their precious time here on earth believing in fairy tales? That seems very sad to me. Although some of the messages in the bible are good, a lot are BS and it's obvious to anyone with half a brain (no offense).
     
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    I don't fault someone being a Christian. If they need a greater power to make their existence a little easier that's fine by me. What I do mind are the Evangelicals who support trump. What a friggin' joke.
     
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    As a historical object, the bible is invaluable, mentioning places documented nowhere else.
    It gives us insite to the people of the times, how they lived, what was important to them.
    However, it also shows the manipulation of the masses through the gods.
    It's not our rules, it's gods rules, we just enforce them.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    All of the biblical stories stress total obedience and complete loyalty to the Boss.
     
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    Christianity declares itself as a religion of love and peace. Why do they like a master of hate and conflict like Donald Trump? This guy is as servant of the Devil. Real Christians should avoid him.
     
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    The question is much too broad. False on what grounds, in what areas? It is very correct as a history of human kind's collective psychology, social action and motivations, fears and hopes. If it is 'false' regarding a superhuman being overseeing the world, that would not make it entirely wrong.
    Obviously, our values and ethics have developed over time and amputations, stonings and animal sacrifice are no longer taken as obligatory in modern, educated areas of the world. Still, these are listed as punishments in sacred texts, and that leads to neurosis on the part of believers; how does one function under an authoritarian theology while having to reject certain parts?
     
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    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    I don't see why it would be particularly sad. I might not agree with 5 year olds that Santa exists, but that doesn't mean I think it's sad, it can be endearing and jolly.
     
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    To each their own....go ahead and worship your chosen God but DO NOT expect or compel me to, and please stop trying to create society in its image that you imagine.
     
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    Here's a great piece put together by an ex JW that tells you most of what you should know about the Bible:

     
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    Do you know of anyone who practices their religion to the letter? That would be impossible to know.
     
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    No one's compelling you to do anything 'cause no one cares what you do. In God We Trust. One Nation Under God. God Bless America.
     
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    All the hate and conflict is coming from your side Cathy Griffen.
     
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    In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. All hail the fearless leader.
     
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    What Kathy Griffin did was disgusting and irresponsible. That doesn't change the fact that Trump is also hateful and thrives on conflict. There is hate and conflict coming from both sides. It takes a special kind of intellectual dishonesty, of misleading oneself, not to realize that. We've got it on the left and we have it on the right -- or did you not see all of the neo-Nazis at the Unite the Right rally?
     
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    Ok, so it turns out to be false, no harm done, just a lot of people who spent their lives believing in something, we all face the same thing when we die.

    Now suppose its true.

    Well, you unbelievers are going to really regret that then aren't you.

    Since nobody can prove or disprove God, I hope you are a successful gambler.
     
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    It depends on the form of Christianity. There are many modern Christians who aren't as interested in the literal statements of the Bible as they are in some sort of "higher" truth. For them, the religion is more about psychology than it is about doctrine. Jordan Peterson is a great example, but you'll also find several Christians who are more culturally Christian than they are doctrinally Christian. They gladly entertain beliefs that would have gotten them burned at the stake in the past: belief that unbelievers can/will be saved, belief in universal salvation, belief in an old earth, belief that other religions share some kind of spiritual truth, belief that the more monstrous things said about God in the Bible are untrue, etc. These are Christians who have more in common with the Jefferson Bible than the literal one. They focus on the "God is love" and "love your neighbor" parts, they are comfortable with the idea that some of the stories in the Bible are mythical (though they don't necessarily see this as a bad thing), and they see their Christianity as an expression of their values. They are likely to get more inspiration from C.S. Lewis and G.K. Chesterton than from Calvin or Luther or even Paul.

    Af for myths, I've seen the sentiment put best when Neil Gaiman paraphrased Chesterton: "Fairy tales are more than true: not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten."

    So this whole mythopoeic, focus-on-the-love Christianity? No, I don't think those people are wasting their time.

    The more traditional "Christians go to Heaven, everyone else goes to Hell" Christians? They are doing worse than wasting their time. They are wasting their time, harming themselves and harming those around them. At best, they ask that followers welcome the prospect of a spiritual lobotomy in death -- removing their basic human compassion upon death so that they feel nothing for those loved ones in Heaven, less their own pleasure be lessened. At worse, they spread needless anguish among the fearful and the young, particularly among little children, and the goal of conversion involves a sacrifice of one's own authenticity and integrity -- an earthly spiritual lobotomy in anticipation of the otherworldly one.
     
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    That's the thing most unbelievers miss in their attacks upon Christianity.
     
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    If it is true that god's got some s'plainin' to do.

    If it isn't true, you won't know.
     
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    It's the unicorns and fairy's, I'm scared of.
     

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