Let's debunk what CO2 does. Let's also explain what it does not do.

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You must engage using logic. You told me the vast area of the USA by not having warming does not prove warming is a fraud. Yet you are willing to use Siberian data as if that region proves global warming. I see a chance of Methane escaping if they drilled those sites to know what is there but to say it proves humans created climate makes no sense.

    What you alarmists refuse to accept as fact is if you get your way, you are proclaiming humans control climate. If not true, then why to try to upset the entire world with your chattering?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet you were fine discussing Siberia and claim you long knew of that. That is local too.
     
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    I think I might give up trying to explain the difference between local and global single points and averages

    And WTF has the Department of Transport got to do with anything???
     
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    :roll: We were discussing OUTGASSING of methane (which is an even stronger greenhouse gas than CO2) in Siberia - somehitng that could accelerated global warming

    The very fact that globally it has warmed enough to melt the Siberian permafrost is an indicator in nature that the planet has warmed - just as coral bleaching is an indicator

    In other words you can jump up and down all you like about a theory that global warming is just scientists counting things wrong but Mother Nature cannot be fooled She knows the planet is warming because we are seeing the impacts
     
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    It is. I think you may mean this. Still Siberia has fairly stable temperatures based on my research of that area.

     
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    When glaciers melted and produced the Great lakes, do you believe in Siberia such methane was then released?

    Key here is the claim we are in mortal danger due to CO2.

    I have long argued that Methane is a far greater green house than is CO
    2.

    Water vapor, that Lindzen studied a great deal, too is a great green house gas.

    But we must have green house merely to survive. I don't perform well as cold as an ice cube.

    We have a vast array of global climate experts who tell us we need not fear Carbon Dioxide. As I point out at times, this is a very heavy gas. It is well suited to assist the growth of plants. It also is fairly easy for the ocean to capture and hold. As to the claims over corals, I checked that out.

    Turns out a lot of it is myth. Scientists state the south end of the Great Barrier Reef is in awesome shape. But in the distant north, there are problems. But the coral there is of the fast regrowth type. That is my research.

    Coral is a minute portion of the science anyway.

    What might make me respect your claims more is if you supply the forum with details of Australian Carbon Dioxide and give us reports on changes of your climate. I gave some on the US change and proved the heat waves were really back in the 1930s. When Carbon Dioxide was then not blamed.

    Looking at the 1930s, a very good case is made by stating Carbon Dioxide can't be the culprit or the USA would not have quit those extreme heat waves, but still would have them. Carbon dioxide knows no politics.
     
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    Let's take boiling water in Siberia and see what happens to it. For a country of heat waves, seems this should never take place.

     
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    Siberian woman washes clothes, hangs them to dry. See what happens to her clothing.

     
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    Life in Siberia

     
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    Results of global warming in Siberia

     
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    Let's show what I agree with.

     
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    You tube :roll: nuff said
    This is not a scientific paper but I thought it was a hoot!!

    http://siberiantimes.com/ecology/casestudy/news/n0793-no-global-warming-in-siberia-donald-trump/

    Siberian Times with an article debunking Trumps dogma on global warming

    Again this is not a scientific paper but the Guardian UK has a good science reputation
    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...afrost-could-trigger-dangerous-global-warming

    THESE are scholarly articles and research papers - as you can see there are more than a few

    https://scholar.google.com.au/schol...ved=0ahUKEwiJj4GP7-3SAhWMkZQKHQJgD38QgQMIFzAA
     
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    NOT a climate scientist and it is YOU TUBE
     
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    No, what gets me is when you challenge them on the "natural causes" they come up with things like "It is so obvious it is the sun" like if it is so obvious why haven't any scientists found out about it??

    "Scientitist adjusted data to make it appear like global warming is happening "

    So - why then was there a hiatus in warming in the global temperature record??

    the conspiracy theories MAKE NO SENSE

    And then there are those who just do not understand "global" and "climate" I suppose because both of those words have more than one syllable
     
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    Yet another youtube

    Honestly please learn - YouTube has no oversight so anything can be put there by anyone. There is less honesty in YouTube presentations than a used car salesman on commission during an economic downturn.

    YouTube is the ultimate FAKE NEWS because there are no checks and balances.

    Scientific reports on the other hand had to go through peer review and once published are open to criticism and critique from academia - they HAVE to be truthful or they either are not published or they are torn to pieces if they manage to get to print in some out of the way "journal" that does not require peer review
     
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    Well, that's because there is so much money in climate science. The bribes by politicians and bankers is probably more than the money made in coal and oil put together. It should be obvious. We had a late spring...so global warming can't be happening.
     
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    But You Tube has some great videos on car repair, lawnmower repair, wiring, and funny goat videos. But you can put anything on it I guess. I never tried to post anything. I was thinking about doing some gardening videos but the subject is pretty much covered.
     
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    My favourites are the ones about Americans tasting Vegemite :D

    But yes you can post anything on YouTube and you know my insistence on academic support for points of contention - you tube just does not cut the mustard - with the exception of a couple of videos put together by people concerned with truth (ie global warming crock of the week) nothing is referenced so you cannot check validity
     
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    Honestly I dislike characterising a group but there are times I SWEAR that I should be checking the backs of thier knuckles for gravel rash and seeing if there is dirt on thier bottom lips from it dragging on the ground.

    But I take a deep breath reassure myself that it is simply a lack of understanding not an inability to understand and try, one more time, to educate people on how to find truth in this ocean of lies that the internet has become.

    The problem, unfortunately, goes beyond global warming to the hole concept of "fake news" where a tweet can have more power than a carefully researched and published scientific paper
     
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    I just started watching Irish people.... tasting American food...and other things...hilarious. That Vegemite looks nasty. I'll get back on topic now.
     
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    The secret, if you are ever offered Vegemite is to smear as little as possible on the toast. Tiny tiny amount. We eat it by the spoonful but it is very much like curry - you have to grow up eating it to get a true tolerance

    Back on topic

    I cannot understand the thinking surrounding the conspiracy theory of anti global warming believers. Near as I can tell they have an idea that there are only half a dozen scientists in the whole world who are working on it and for some reason these scientists have decided to get together to defraud every government in every country throughout the world so that they, the scientists can get a $10.000 grant to do some research :roll:

    At the same time Oil, Coal and Electricity companies, whose income depends on people NOT swapping to alternate methods of fuel, are complete innocents who are acting in the general publics best interests
     
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    You are not peer reviewed. I have a lot of fun with your posts. I call it comedy for the masses. You present cherry picked data and you allege it is peer reviewed. This is the same nonsense we hear from IPCC that happens to be a political body, not a scientific body. I shot holes in the IPCC by using ..... drum roll, a youtube video.

     
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    Sorry how can i be "peer reviewed"?

    Individuals are not peer reviewed :roll:

    There is absolutely no gain posting youtubes as I will not run them - I have better things to spend my money on than wasted bandwidth

    Post me a written article and I will read it

    Now let me re-iterate - articles are peer reviewed

    I will link to sites though that discuss peer reviewed articles in an academic manner such as Skeptical Science or NASA but only because they have presented the information in such a manner as to be more understandable for those lacking the cognitive and conceptual framework to understand where the research fits in the bigger picture
     
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    To translate for those who only understand monosyllables I will post this like a Trump Twitter Tirade

    Co2 is BAD
    Sad people do not like that CO2 is Bad
    Globe not warming is FAKE NEWS!!!
     

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