Let's discuss the costs of some of the things that Dems would like to institute...

Just a note here: I'm going off of memory here for some things so feel free to give accurate numbers if you want.

Medicare for all: Supposed to cost around 32 trillion over 10 years with a "saving" of a little over a trillion. Ok...what else do they want?

The government to pay for community college for all American's. How much will that cost? Well, depends on the plan of course but lets take Warren's plan since she is considered "the front runner" by many even though last I looked Biden was still number one in the polls. Also he doesn't have a plan about it that can be analyzed yet so Warren is the next runner up in this case.

The Associated Press reports that Warrens Plan would cost 1.25 trillion over a 10 year time.

LINK:Education secretary slams 2020 candidates' higher ed plans

So much for that savings huh? Mind you, afaik, that Medicare for all by the CBO doesn't include the cost of all the illegal aliens taking advantage of it. Which is another thing that Dems have advocated for. Paying for illegal aliens health care. Illegal entry into the US just this year alone...along JUST the southwest border is 457,871 as of August for family units. 280,272 for single adults. That's ‭738,143‬ illegal immigrants since August. And that doesn't even count how many have been caught along all our other borders. So figure that by the end of the year that will be around 1 million people entering the country illegally....EVERY YEAR. Granted that number fluctuates. In 10 years time that's 10 million people. Figure at least half of those will leave the country again. So 5 million additional people that is not accounted for in the CBO for Medicare for All costs.

LINK: Border Apprehensions

So...just for those two issues, Medicare for All, and community college for all is there actually savings? From what I can tell the answer is "no". And not just a "no"...but a big FAT NO!.

Discuss.

 

Liberals are great at spending OTHER PEOPLES money.

 

Actually liberals dont worry about that at all. They just assume the OTHER GUY will foot the bill.

 

The current federal budget is over four trillion dollars. That is over ten billion a day. That's Warren Buffet's entire net worth spent in 8 hours. The notion that there will be any real savings here without drastic cuts in quality and access is ludicrous. Why the left continues to believe the fiction that you can increase demand for a good or service without increasing quantity of that good or and not increase the price or reduce quality or both never ceases to amaze me.

 

They, of course, would much prefer no such discussion -- it tends to strip away the costumes.

A minor addition: the estimate for college for all just looks at tuition. College for all would require tripling or quadrupling the plant and faculty and administration for every college which the same tuition per student would not cover.

 

Funny thing is that I am FOR Medicare for all and some form of higher education for all. Knowledge is Power. Besides that the higher educated someone is the less likely they are to commit violent crimes. The healthier people are the more productive they can be which in turn benefits the country through economic growth and sustainability.

I'm just not willing to lie/cheat/steal/obfuscate etc etc to get those things. Voters should be informed with the WHOLE TRUTH. Not just selective parts that make everything sound easy and peachy.

 

Here's more:

 

Dont worry, AOC already has the answer...You just pay for it, like...duh?

 

Something that needs to be factored in is the increased income that would be generated by the increased level of education created thru out the country. It would certainly increase the income tax paid into our coffers which in turn would go towards these additional costs. Also, let's change our tax laws so a companies like Amazon and trump inc. pay a fair tax and not get a 100% write off.

 

Raise your hand if you want Americans to pay for the healthcare and welfare of any foreign national that makes it to America...

Democrats aim to bankrupt and destroy America as we know it so they can fundamentally transform America into a global socialist police state run by oligarchs out of Europe.

Democrats could raise taxes to 100% and it still wouldn't be enough to pay for their global socialism. Democrats want to manage America's decline and create a new normal. They believe Americans only live so well because of they stole everything from everyone.

When Democrats come to power, they will take down the walls we have and endless caravans of foreign nationals will flood into the country to take advantage of and compete with Americans for services Americans pay for.

 

Wrong, educating people doesn't make them less criminal than the were before it just makes them harder to catch. It might also impact the nature of the crimes done.

 

Actually it does impact the nature of the crimes that they commit. As I said they are less likely to commit violent crimes. The amount of white collar crimes and things of that nature aren't really affected afaik by education, beyond, as you said, harder to catch. But it has been proven that the higher the education of someone then the less likely they are to commit violent crime. Reason is simple enough. Most people that commit violent crime are poor and really have nothing to lose in their minds so they don't really care about being caught. People that are more educated however often have far more to lose in their minds eye. The more educated a person is the more chances they have at achieving in life. The more they achieve the more that they have, such as money, house, car etc etc. The more they have the less likely they are to commit a violent crime.

Here are a couple of studies for ya if you don't believe me.

Education: The Secret to Crime Reduction?
The Effect of Education on Crime: Evidence from Prison Inmates, Arrests, and Self-Reports

One is from NYU and the other is from Berkely. I'm sure I can find more material if necessary. Lots of evidence out there. There is also another benefit to being more educated beyond crime. The more educated someone is the less likely they are to be racist. And that is a good thing in my book. And no, that doesn't necessarily mean that those people took sociology or some garbage like that. That includes people that took hard sciences, business education etc etc.

 

First if you get out of grade school still believing in racial stereo types your education has done you a grave disservice, that doesn't require a college degree. It requires a functioning brain.

 

Yet it happens all the time. For you it might be that simplistic. But in reality its not.

 

I grew up in the fifties, I was always a conservative with some libertarian leanings. I've been pushing a flat tax since 1968. Two of the guys a hung around with were president and vice president of what was then known as the Afro American Student Union. This was a far more dangerous thing to do then than it is now. I didn't care what is right is right. Racism is a non fact based belief no amount of facts to the contrary ever have much impact on things people believe that aren't based on facts.

 

That depends on your view now doesn't it? To racists their views are facts. For example: It is a fact that there are more black violent offenders in prison than there are whites. Racists are not absent facts. They just twist existing facts to suit their world view. You and I both know that there are many reasons that there are more black violent offenders than whites in prison. It has nothing to do with their skin color. Has to do with poor education, lack of opportunities (which can partly be blamed on racism) and many more things. But racists only see the one fact and refuse to look beyond that fact. If they are forced to look beyond that one simple fact of "more black violent offenders than whites in prison" then they start becoming less and less racist. You have to get them to see the gray and not just the black and white. (no pun intended there)

 

And that would be my point people who believe BS is real are all but impossible to convince otherwise. Been quoting from that play book for years I've yet to see it make a difference.

 

Tell that to this guy...

Killing hatred with kindness: Black man has convinced 200 racists to abandon the KKK by making friends with them despite their prejudiced views

 

Good for him kindness and decency beats education six ways from sunday.

 

Did you read the article? It talks about educating ya know.

 

So . . . just like Trumpists. Great.

 

What ever he believes in the end what triumphs is human decency and kindness. He sets an example that is difficult to ignore.