Let's get a few things straight- Right Now.

Does it matter the political affiliation of the person beating you with a bat? Honestly?

The action is what Im looking at, and assigning blame to that individual. Not giving them a scapegoat, Oh they followed X, an X ideology so that must be bad. Oh they played video games, video games bad.

 

When I say RW extremists I am referring to the white supremacist groups that try to legitimize and disguise themselves within the conservative ideology.

 

Any logical person assigns responsibility to each person for their own actions. However we also find people, like animals, associate with others like them, birds of a feather. Thus the group identity tends to be pretty close to the individual identity, and you don't have to wait until they have hit you with the bat to exercise caution.

Psychologically it's fairly easy to divide people of different basic values into just a few groups. Some in a group will be more or less extreme in whatever the group characteristics are, but they fit the same box.
For example there are people that consider their word a bond more binding than a contract- and their self respect is only intact when they keep it. No contract needed, a handshake is always a firm deal.
Then there are people who have already figured out how they are going to screw you while they are signing your air-tight contract. No contract can bind them, your losing is simply necessary for them to win.
You avoid the latter by recognizing the characteristics of the group, and there will be a lot of commonalities. And it doesn't matter what their particular way of cheating is, only recognizing that they will always cheat where possible.

It really doesn't matter what they call themselves or claim to justify their actions.
The words are hot air- but the actions define them for what they are, and that is all a wise man gives any weight to.

 

Fair enough.

I was trying to find out why you said they were independents. That is usually the least likely suspect when this stuff happens.

 

What "groups" would these be? I've yet to find any actual group or association of such people, in spite of the claims it is some massive conspiracy.
Some want to imply that being a white male automatically makes you that way, which is of course blatantly racist in the first place as well as being a lie.

I'm conservative, I'm white, and I give all honorable men the same respect regardless of color. All the honorable men I know think the same way.
Does that make one an extremist in your view?

 

Anecdotal evidence is just that. Because YOU dont know of any conservative participating in the riots, does not give any weight to any statements you have involving them participating in said riots. They are out there as well, does it mean conservative ideology is wrong?

 

I didn't say they were there or not there. I'm trying to find out who you think these "white supremacists" are.
They appear to be mostly someone's imagination; you have the chance to clarify that question.

 

Extremely well said.

Kudos, sir.

 

Absolutely not. RW extremism is just the blanket label groups like skinheads and the KKK and ILK are given just like Antifa and those in favor of destroying capitalism are labeled LW.

Conservatism is not an extremist view point.

 

Evropa is one I can think of right off the bat...What you want names, and personal identifying information?

"In March 2018, it was reported that the group was seeing steep declines in membership. The collapse has been seen in other alt-right groups, and has been attributed to widespread public backlash against neo-Nazism and white supremacy since the 2017 Charlottesville rally.[26] I"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_Evropa

Maybe they saw this as an opportunity to gain membership, and get Trump to rain bullets.

 

I never mentioned all police depts in USA.

I asked if you were ashamed of cops that kneel on necks of people.
You've said the cop was abusive. Yes he was, he killed a man.

Are you ashamed that officers will do that?

 

I don't assume that was intentional. I assume from all I know it was over-zealous and abusive, and for that, the cop was wrong. Consider the job the cop has to do-
and consider this. While the job of police requires many judgement calls and often split-second decisions and will always have mistakes made- I doubt that actual intent to murder was in the mind of any. Failures to follow procedures, mistaken identity, getting carried away in the moment- yes. Premeditated intent to kill without cause- don't think I've ever seen that, and I don't think you have either.

George was a very large and intimidating man- 6'6" tall, probably 250 lbs or more, and made a living as a bouncer. His physical power could enable him to disable or kill and officer regardless of being unarmed. He was under arrest for a crime- in this case, passing counterfeit money.
He was also a convicted felon who served 5 years in a Texas prison for ARMED HOME INVASION, he had a history of violent crime.

Imagine you had the job of taking this man into custody. What kind of risks are you going to take? Would you be concerned with not allowing any chance for this guy to snap your neck like a twig?
Or would you be saying please, Floyd, I have to put you under arrest. Would you mind getting into the squad car, please?

People who we have called "American Citizens" have been throwing bricks at police not involved with Floyd or any similar incident, have burned hundreds of millions of dollars in private property in dozens of cities across the nation, shot about a half dozen cops, killed some shop owners trying to save their own property and looted all these stores, stealing everything they could carry.- All in pretense of "justice for Floyd George". Of course, Officer Chauvin was promptly fired, arrested, charged with murder and is imprisoned- so justice is already underway and moving quickly. However that has has no effect on the looters- because they really don't give a damn about Floyd, most probably don't know who he was. They are there for the loot and the violence.

It is extremely unlikely that Officer Chauvin meant to kill Floyd George, but it is absolutely beyond question that all these rioters are committing all these offenses with both intent and pleasure- as well as premeditation.

Who are you more ashamed of- a cop who went too far, who has already been arrested and jailed- or 10,000 rampaging thugs masquerading as protestors in order to loot and burn down the nation, and are getting away with it?

 

A simple no. That's all that needed to be said.

 

That would have been affirming your presumption of murder. Different situation, needs perspective.

 

The Black Leadership is only interested in the response to the violence. Not the violence itself.

82 were shot in Chicago last weekend. 19 of those died from their wounds. All Black on Black.

The Democrats have become experts at knowing exactly what buttons to push and when.

The, "Culture," will not change.

 

Yep, the DNC elites are disappointed that White Supremacists haven't shown up.

Now its phantoms in the shadows.. While the street footage has been constantly running showing the fruits of Leftist ideology and propaganda.

 

And excuses. Entire shipping-container fleets of excuses. It's ALWAYS racist when they fail.

 

Never said a darn thing about murder.

I asked 3X now. Do you feel ashamed. Again, do you feel ashamed, about police officer(s) kneeling on the back of a black persons neck.

You brought up being ashamed. No one else.
It's a simple yes or no.
Which you, for some reason, can't answer. Very telling.

 

You understand that the crux of her position is that all white people are inherently racist even if they don’t know it and that they need to admit that for the black community to move forward. Right? It’s right here:

“But if we ever hope to move past it, it can’t just be on people of color to deal with it. It’s up to all of us—Black, white, everyone—no matter how well-meaning we think we might be, to do the honest, uncomfortable work of rooting it out. It starts with self-examination and listening to those whose lives are different from our own.“

 

Not all. But it is systemic.

 

No it isn't. This is nothing but a myth.

 

Prove it.

You can't wish away centuries of prejudice and violence, but I'm sure you will drag up something pathetic to try.

 

You can't prove something doesn't exist. But I am sure you can show evidence it does right?

 

So I will drop the proof requirement, fair point.

But that doesn't mean you couldn't construct a persuasive argument, if such a thing were possible.

It isn't.

I had a history prof back in the 80s who did her phd on racism and slavery, at the U of Virginia. She liked to say that was why she was a teacher in Maine.

Once you study racism, the sheer amount of it is astonishing. But that's back in the real world, and we won't be going there...

 

It is absolutely astonishing. You are correct. And it was institutional in the entire country for a long time. Absolutely terrible, disgusting in fact.

That really has nothing to do with the argument that there exists systematic racism in America today though.

I'll leave you this to ponder. Do you really believe that Minneapolis, which has been governed by liberal ideology for decades, is somehow systematically racist? Or do you believe we might just be dealing with a few POS cops who should have been fired or jailed years ago?