Let's talk glaciers

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I do enjoy your hallucinations as your denier cult hoax gets exposed for the fraud it is. On the glacier topic though it's fine if you want to stick to your denier cult myths that have no connection to reality. Your nonsense was already debunked by the scientific facts so nobody cares what delusions you still are clinging to.

 

Thanks, you proved it has been warmer than it is now during the Holocene long before SUVs.

 

Nope! But your hallucinations are quite hilarious, as always.

 

Hmm, how could retreating glaciers uncover forests grown during this inter-glacial?

 

Probably because the Earth has been slowly cooling down for the past 5000 years, allowing various glaciers to advance and cover those forests during that time. Now, currently, most glaciers worldwide are melting much faster than ever before due to the rapid temperature increases over the last 50 years or do, caused by the 45% increase in atmospheric CO2 level, and the more than 260% increase in methane levels. Overall, atmospheric concentrations of methane have grown from about 700 parts per billion in the preindustrial era to more than 1,840 parts per billion today, while CO2 has grown from about 280ppm pre-industrial, to about 405ppm now.

 

Ah, the arrogance of the conservative bubble denizens.

The glaciers are melting. Antarctic ice sheet is cracking. Polar bear habitat is shrinking. The tundra is mush, bogging down snowmobiles that once traveled easily over it. Every year now is the warmest on record.

Oh but once an asteroid hit the earth so we shouldn't worry about it. Ice melts and increases naturally, so if our CO2 melts it all and puts Manhattan under water, to complain would be delusional liberal foolishness, eh?

Climate change deniers are dangerous to the future of this planet and our ability to survive on it.

 

You equate post-Medieval superstition with modern science? This is the Medieval thinking of conservatives today. If science runs counter to corporate interests, then it's fake.

I remember the tobacco industry telling us cigarettes were good for us. Now the same folks (corporations) are telling us that the frightening level of extinctions, and the clearly warming earth, are not a problem, and to worry about it is somehow antisocial, lol.

What the world desperately needs is energy from other than fossil fuels! We have the technology for it, but again, it is the CORPORATE will which matters, not science, not the welfare of the people...

 

That's an incredible load of arrogance, and all evidence indicates that it is very uninformed.

SCIENCE is not dogma. The climate is warming, and human-produced CO2 and other greenhouse substances in the atmosphere is a large part of the reason. Oh but this doesn't serve corporate interests. And so it's all ignored and we'll pretend that it's a liberal conspiracy! Yes, here in the Virginia piedmont most of February had weather similar to that of the California coast, but of course climate isn't changing... Al Gore must have stopped the snow from reaching us. Those devious liberals!!!

 

At least get it right, we are not climate change deniers. What we are is AGW skeptical. In fact if anyone is a climate change denier it's the AGW bunch who seem to think climate wouldn't change if man didn't change it.

 

AGW true believers are much like medieval people who thought man must be causing the glaciers to rapidly advance causing farms and towns to be swallowed up by glaciers. Now it's reversed though and true believers think it must be man causing these very same glaciers to rapidly recede to pre ice age levels. Interesting to watch really.

 

And now we get to the real issue here. The AGW hoax is largely based on anti corporation anti fossil fuel and even anti American sentiment. Green is the new red.

 

Speaking of arrogance... Specifically when you assert "human produced CO2, blah blah blah". You can believe this, hence the observation of the dogmatic aspect of conversations like this, but it doesn't remove the validity of the original observation. To put a super fine point on it, your weather was different. There is no certainty that what you just experienced is either more or less likely to be repeated. Because what you've described was weather, not climate. I would point out to you that your march winter storms will likely also significantly lower the temps vs average, for some time. Since they will, using your logic, climate change is now swinging violently away from warming to cooling.

 

Translation: you don't believe in science. Climate change denial is dogma, because all the science says the planet is warming. Oh but did Al Gore fake all that data? LOL!!! If Faux News says that, millions of dupes will believe it.

You abysmally misunderstand science, and especially climate. I am not saying, "It's warm today, so Al Gore is right," the way a GOP Congressman said, "Look, it's snowing, climate change is false," lol.

I am looking at stats for the entire year, and for the entire globe. And I am also looking at the fact that in EVERY recent winter I have seen far less snow than a few decades ago. I'm talking about spending the entire month of February here in Virginia outdoors with only a shirt.

No, using my logic, we will arrive at scientific truth. But using your logic... oh wait, there is no logic there, just denialist dogma spoonfed by Faux News.

 

You state NO fact. Global warming involves corporations because THEY are the primary culprit! And they do it with fossil fuel! So... in advance we decided we don't like corporations and fossil fuel, and so invented climate change to implicate both... lol.

Do you also believe that most in Congress are lizard people? You have no more evidence for that than for climate change denial, but facts haven't interfered with conservative dogma for some time now...

 

I don't believe in science? Laughable. Science isn't something to believe in. Science is an exercise that one hopes will demonstrate the natural world around us using repeatable methodology that helps us. Science isn't a belief system. Religion is a belief system.

So, when you say "all the science says", youi're saying something untrue. Because all science doesn't refer to climate science. And worse, while the observable data will tell us that our climate has warmed up since the end of the last glacial period that ended in say 1865, they don't say why. So, what your statement needs are the following qualifiers: "all AGW science attributes X portion of current warming to man made processes". Had you said that, it might actually be something that real science could then investigate and produce some methodology to describe it with. But, you didn't. You make some egregious statement about All, instead. You're so like any evangelical blathering on any street corner railing about the apocalypse. With about as much credibility.

So, you refer to your religious boogy men, instead of addressing the limitations of your own dogmatic faith. Sad really.

 

That's right, drunklug, you very, very obviously don't 'believe' in the value of science as a tool for understanding the physical universe around us. You reject the evidence based conclusions of the world's climate scientists, which are affirmed by virtually the entire world scientific community, in favor of your ignorant, science-free belief systems which are based only on your crackpot political and economic ideologies. You are a science denier and a reality denier and a total dumbshit!

Indeed....every deranged demented fact-free post of yours is quite 'laughable', you poor delusional retard.

 

So you don't use fossil fuel, only evil corporations do?

 

Where do you imagine that he said that or implied it? What would his use or non-use of fossil fuels have to do with the fact that the fossil fuel industry is largely responsible for the massive buildup of CO2 over the last century, from around 280ppm to over 406ppm?

 

I'm well aware of your dogma and have given up trying to have a reasonable discussion with a zealot. If I saw you put at least one post in here on some other subject than AGW I could maybe take you seriously but until then I have to think I'm talking to someone who's not all there and I just don't have the patience

 

OK....run away from your obvious lack of either logic or knowledge. Who cares?

Run away, little denier cultist, run away from all the science and all of the overwhelming evidence supporting the reality of AGW that proves that your cult of denial is completely crackpot.

 

Sorry if I offended you but as much as I enjoy debating many subjects in here including AGW, the level of insanity of some people is just not something I want to deal with in my otherwise peaceful life. look at your last post to me for instance, I just don't need that crazy kind of ranting in my head. Get some help buddy.

 

This seems remarkably like a personal attack and less an observation about climate change than not. So, as a personal attack, I'd point out the easily disputable failures in your attack, notably that nowhere have I actually rejected evidence and data collected. I know, it is truly nuanced, but really, the criticism is about the use of actual data then run through a smoothing process to produce a non observed result, which is then used to drive a model that cranks out a projection. Now, even most elementary school kids will understand that when you fudge the data that the results based on the fudged data is itself fudged. But not you. Not the stalwart ecowarriors "Live Free"... Which is itself most ironic given the tenant of AGW is the very antithesis of allowing folks their freedom.

So, no. I don't "deny" anything. I repudiate it. As in the conclusions based on those asinine assumptions don't produce anthing with worldly value. And yet, for you, it drives a certain comfort knowing that you have the ability to chide others, call them names when they don't agree because of your own certainty in the dogma that is the AGW faith. You sound like the charlatan evangelicals from yesteryear, except that today it isn't snake oil, it's environmentalism.

One hopes that you'll take a breath from your obvious strenuous exertions peddling your stationary bike generator with which you power your life while you burn through kilowatt hours of electricity spewing your own brand of personal intolerance. It's so nice we get to have this time together...

 

Your so-called "criticism" is just you idiotically denying science that you can't understand by trying to create a crackpot paranoid conspiracy theory about all of the world's scientists supposedly "fudging" data and evidence. It is hilarious that you are incapable of noticing how utterly crazy that is.