Lets talk specific laws and solutions to Racism

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  1. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

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    So, can anyone name something, currently, on the books that is racist against blacks and something specific on how to fix the problem?
     
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    if anything, if you are a minority, educated with a clean record, you have advantages. It’s easier to get into good colleges and easier to get a job in many corporations. I’m a manager in a large company and every time i have to hire someone, HR indirectly hints i should give a minority preference, all else equal.

    Racism is not a big problem in this country, it’s culture. Parents are not doing a good job instilling right values, media and politicians incite racial tensions and use race as a means to attain higher ratings and power (convince the world america is racist and it’s republicans and this can get you votes).

    if we squashed the media and straightened them out, pushed aside the race hustlers and raised our kids the right way - instilling values of hard work, respecting the law, being tolerant, focusing on character and personal responsibility. We do all this, and we will be in a much better place.
     
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    Maybe if there was not so much POVERTY in the black community and they had better schools to educate the children in their neighborhoods then they could compete on a more fair basis. Right now they are underrepresented in virtually every phase of American competative academic life, EXCEPT FOR professional SPORTS where statistically they dominate.
     
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    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I get that. But I want specifics from those who think the USA is inherently racist with systemic racism and what can be done to change the laws.
     
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    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

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    Not a specific grievance really. And schools in the same districts get the same equal share of funding. Hell, ATL gets twice as much per pupil as rural GA and ATL school districts still are worst in the state.
     
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    Disproportionate sentencing guidelines/requirements for crack versus powder cocaine. The effects of the drugs is virtually the same, but one is more prevalent among the black community. Make the guidelines the same.

    Beyond that, the problem with your question is that a lot of the racism is systemic rather than explicitly documented in laws. Insurance and finance companies automatically assume that black applicants are higher risks. Doctors and nurses have been taught (and still are taught, in some cases) that blacks are different physiologically, like that they have higher or lower pain tolerances, or that their skin is thicker. I don't know how you make laws to counteract those problems without certain folks crying about reverse-discrimination, social justic warriors, or some other such nonsense.
     
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    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so since one drug is used by predominately one race over the other, its a racist law? I am against the abolition of all drugs really, so I think its a stupid law for all of them.

    You understand what "systemic" means right? As in there is a system in place that keeps the racism going. Its not nebulous, and there for it can be corrected. Jim Crow was "systemic".
     
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    Burzmali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, if you go back and look at the rhetoric around those guidelines, they talk about crack turning blacks into animals. Do you not agree that laws that, with the knowledge of the lawmakers, disproportionately target a class of people are racist?

    You're right, systematic is what I meant. Feel free to respond to what I said with that modification.[/quote]
     
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    I think what keeps urban black people in this toxic loop that they consider systemic racism is lack of job and manufacturing jobs in this big cities. Find a way to attract more manufacturing and you'll see less unemployment less crime and less run ins with the police. The mayor's and city councils need to do more to attract those types of jobs
     
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    "Insuranceand finance companies automatically assume that black applicants are higher risks."

    They do that for young boys in general too. Try insuring a young boy and a young girl same age same driving record and see what one costs more
     
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    Whites are explicitly discriminated against through government policy in America. And you folks are talking about implicit racism. Give me a break
     
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    Sure

    Laws in states where convicted felons cannot vote after serving their sentences.

    These laws have been universally used to suppress minority voting.

    Ending racism is a process that will take decades or, to put it "Biblically," till the generations that offended die off.

    Legislation needs to remove the legal impediments but there is no legislation that will cure the ignorance that feeds the racists agenda.

    The first and quickest action is for organizations like the Republican party to take action to remove from any party position those who openly support racist agendas. Force them and their ignorance back into the dark where it belongs and where it will die with all the respect it deserves.
     
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    1) STOP ALL programs that benefit ONLY minorities. Want to be considered equals? then get ready to be treated as equals without all the special treatment
    2) STOP minority hiring quotas
    3) as an addition to #2, pass a law that makes resumes show up as Nameless so people are just invited to interviews based on MERIT and not RACE
    4) stop all this "black community" crap when referencing blacks. They are never gonna have full equality if they wanna be separated into their own little "community"
    Black people need to stop obsessing over the fact that they are black. We are all PEOPLE. my downstairs neighbor's wifi is named "Black Man's Router"...just sayin!
    5) stop sucking up to blacks and treating them like pets (black people do NOT respect this behavior, nor should they)
    6) if steps 1-5 are no implemented then extra terrestrials will NEVER bring us into the intergalactic fold when we are making a big deal about people that are more tan. If we can't even handle that how are we gonna deal with species from other planets? We are probably the laughing stock of the universe
     
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    A progressive fighting racism is no different than a communist fighting greed.
    Racism, or more accurately, stereotyping, is something that we carried with evolution. It is part of self-preservation mechanism. When there is a pattern of how individuals that tend to endanger us or our property look, then we intuitively avoid those individuals. The pattern could be clothes, hygiene, skin color, smell, etc.
    Trying to kill this instinct is as foolish as trying to kill greed, something that many communist countries tried for extended period of time with very sad results.

    Progressives jumped on “racism” because they don’t seem to be smart enough to understand the real cause of current problem - the Chauvin killed Floyd for many reasons, but I seriously doubt racism is the dominant cause because otherwise he probably wouldn’t be able to last that long in the police force - his own fellow officers would outcast him if he was a real racist. Instead of digging deeper and looking for a real problem and how to solve the mechanics that caused this death everyone jumped the gun and blamed whites, even though not all cops present where “white”.
     
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    No, not exactly. See the following:

    When terrorists bomb a black church and kill five black children, that is an act of individual racism, widely deplored by most segments of the society. But when in that same city – Birmingham, Alabama – five hundred black babies die each year because of the lack of proper food, shelter and medical facilities, and thousands more are destroyed and maimed physically, emotionally and intellectually because of conditions of poverty and discrimination in the black community, that is a function of institutional racism. When a black family moves into a home in a white neighborhood and is stoned, burned or routed out, they are victims of an overt act of individual racism which most people will condemn. But it is institutional racism that keeps black people locked in dilapidated slum tenements, subject to the daily prey of exploitative slumlords, merchants, loan sharks and discriminatory real estate agents. The society either pretends it does not know of this latter situation, or is in fact incapable of doing anything meaningful about it. -- Stokely Carmichael, aka Kwame Ture.
     
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    I don't believe that whites are explicitly discriminated against through government policy in America. I'm as white bread as it gets and cannot recall a time when I have ever faced discrimination because of my whiteness.
     
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    Go to Chicago, start a construction or road repair business and try to obtain a contract from the city.
    Or apply for financial aid in college as a white and as a black.
    Then let’s talks. ;)
     
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    Everybody knows AA so I’ll leave that alone.

    But our government provides grants and loans to minority farmers that we can’t get access to because the color of our skin is white.

    Our government through the SBA program 8a provides grants, loans and government contracts to businesses who hire minority contractors but they force whites to jump through a bunch of hoops which are impossible to do to qualify for.

    Our government provides tax credits to businesses who hire minority contractors but don’t provide it for hiring a white contractor. Essentially paying businesses to hire anyone except for white people.

    Our government provides incentives for investing in minority owned businesses but not white ones putting white owned businesses at a disadvantage when trying to acquire capital.

    And I haven’t even begun to talk about the dozens of state and local programs that benefit minorities at the expense of the majority such as NY setting aside $1.5B in taxpayer funds for minority owned businesses that whites can’t access.

    But that’s cool, because we have white skin.
     
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    Yeah, I had plenty of financial aid in college as a white guy. :shrug:
     
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    Did you get grants?
    Did you get free lunches and free parking?
    Or did you just get unsubsidized loans?
     
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    Racism isn't a law it is the way people are treated and the way laws are applied. What will need to change is people's attitude. For instance most minorities feel it was racism when Robert Zimmerman followed a young unarmed black man around a neighborhood simply because he was black and then escalated the situation to confrontation, violence and death. That was racism on a personal level. It was racism on a systemic level when society stood up for Zimmerman and he was found not guilty.
     
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    What?
    How people feel is going to be the base of how justice is carried out?
    Damn be facts, if public thinks someone is guilty then they are guilty!
     
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    The mistake is LAWS don't change racism...
     
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    Somewhere there must be one that causes politicians to claim that every negative thing that happens to a black person to be declared due to racism. I haven't found the law yet, but there's got to be one.
     
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