Let's terminate the Constitution!!

Well, allrighty then, I'm just gonna leave this here:





So, MAGA "people", do tell us all how much you love America and the Constitution yadayadayada....

Trump. The gift that just keeps on giving.

What unamerican rot.

 

Fake news spreading like wildfire.

 

trump did not say this on his social site? or did he say it but not really mean it?

 

I don't think this is fake news.

Trump commits political suicide

He just posted this.



Compare that with the oath he swore.



Trump proved what we long suspected that a decently intelligent man working in the best interests of the United States, could do a much better job than the group of Oligarchs who claim we no better choice than one of them, but, our deal with Trump was always, US FIRST. And after the election, his antics cost us the Senate, and is allowing Biden to fill the judiciary. Had we won either of the GA runoffs, McConnell would have have stopped all extremist judicial appointments. Had Trump gotten Pence to do what he requested, someone like Kamala would now have the power to prevent congress from counting the ECV and then when Congress was unable to determine who won, Kamala would become acting president!

Trump's done. This finishes him.

Watch him continue to fall.

https://electionbettingodds.com/GOPPrimary2024.html

 

I don't think so. If it came down to Trump and Biden people would find a way to rationalize it. Some will argue Biden or any democrat is much more of a danger to the constitution than Trump or they with twist the meaning to say he did not mean it. One of the most truthful points Trump has ever made is he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th ave. and not loose any votes. He has a core group that is ride and die with him to the end.

 

I can't wait for.

 

Trump is about as likely to be the GOP nominee in 2024 as Hillary is to be the Democrat nominee. I've been seeing her face on lots of cable TV news interviews lately. She wants it so bad she can taste it.

 

Lots of people wants to be POTUS. The big difference is Trump has declared and running.

 

It won't. Trump will not win the nomination.

His odds have fallen from 57% to 32% in 3 weeks and that was before he called for suspending the constitution and redoing the 2020 election. That's next level. I hope he hasn't fallen off the wagon.

You can watch his odds fall through the floor, here. https://electionbettingodds.com/GOPPrimary2024.html

If we would have had the choices in 2016 that we will have in 2024, Trump wouldn't have won. His job was to beat Hillary, and he did, and he was the best choice to do so, but, he simply will not be the best choice in 2024.

He did a good job as president. He showed that anyone with a decent brain could do a MUCH better job for the working and middle class that these oligarch clowns that have assured us we must only vote for one of them, he did it without starting a new wars, we saw the president walking and enjoying the company of the leader of North Korea, and he proved that Arab states will make peace with Israel in the absence of a palestinian state.

Trump's post election antics are a bell that cannot be unrung, and he's too damn old. It's time for a generational shift. I don't think Trump could even beat Tom Cotton for the nomination and I don't expect Tom Cotton to be the ultimate winner either, though, he would make one hell of a Defense Secretary in the next GOP Administration.

 

I think Ye aka Kanye West is running too. Don't think he has a chance either.

 

You are placing way to much stock in odds when we do not even have a declared challenger yet. I am not convinced that DeSantis is going to risk running against Trump. Trump put DeSantis on the political map and way too many of the voters DeSantis wants is already part of Trump's base. DeSantis is young enough that he can skip this election and run in 2028 rather than run early and have Trump attack him and solidify his base against him. The low risk move would be for him to throw his support behind Trump and become the heir apparent in 2028.

 

Yup. Everything bad about the Orange Loser is super fake! Good call!

 

I appreciate your thoughtful post but have six points for your consideration:

1. Trump's made himself into an anchor- supporting Trump isn't 'low' risk, it's suicide.
2. DeSantis does not avoid confrontations or back down from fights. He's as fierce as Trump but with the polish and sans the reckless self-sabotage.
3. The FL legislature has already changed the law that would have required him to resign as Gov if he won the GOP nomination. He's running during this term and he's planning on winning, the State of Florida is working under the same assumption.
4. He will not announce before he needs to, because as soon as he announces he's bound by an array of campaign finance laws.
5. He plans on being 'heir apparent' in 2028, running for re-election.
6. If DeSantis doesn't run, Tom Cotton very likely will take the nomination, and Tom Cotton is no joke. He'll be formidable, likely victorious, and he'll be running for re-election in 2028 which means DeSantis would have to wait until 2032 and try to win a 3rd GOP term in a row. No Republican has ever won 2 terms following a 2 term GOP President.

It's on. Though if his wife's cancer reoccurs I think it would stop him. But, that wouldn't clear the field for Trump, it would clear the field for Cotton. If you don't think Tom Cotton can handle Donald Trump you haven't been paying attention. Cotton is the real deal.

 

Post reported to the mods for making me nauseous...

 

I like getting reported more than being liked. But you didn't know that so you're excused.

 

You missed the fact that my post was a joke as a reaction to the idea of Hillary running again.... Sorry

 

So, you can't believe it either!

 

I supported Trump in 2016 but not in 2020 and never again. If you really believe that Trump committed political suicide will you not vote for him even if he is the 2024 nominee? I think the problem is many people are so partisan the candidate does not matter. Tribalism has declared the other side as evil so it is no longer about policy.

Regarding your points:

1. People have tried to turn on Trump in the past. Look at what happened after 1/6 with Graham and McCarthy, they both spoke out against him and they both crawled back to kiss the ring. Why is this any different? The change will not happen at the top. Until Trump loses his base these career politicians will always kowtow to him.
2. Florida is a long way from me so I do not follow DeSantis closely. The articles I have read makes it seem like a risky move for him to run against Trump. What is he going to do when Trump attacks him? Is he going to attack Trumps policies on immigration, China, the wall etc... Is he going to attack Trump's election fraud stance when the majority of Republicans believe there was fraud? If he calls out Trump he is calling out his followers. You cannot be Trump lite and run against Trump. Trump is essentially an incumbent and the only way to run against him is to attack his policies and craziness like a Liz Cheney would. You can't simply say I will do what Trump does but better when Trump can say he has 4 years of presidential experience and a lifetime of experience as a billionaire business man.
3. Preparation does not mean he is running. I will wait for the declaration.
4. Sure, again I will wait until he declares before factoring him into Trump chances of losing.
5. Not really a valid point at all but there is always the risk that he can wait too long like Christie did.
6. Cotton faces the same problems as DeSantis. How does he run against Trump? Trump will not hesitate to attack him but for him to retaliate it is like taking on an incumbent. Unless your policies are vastly different why him when the other guy has a proven track record? Attack him and you attack his base.

 

You're excused this time but the thought of Hillary ever running for anything again should never be a joking matter.

 

Yes - thus my comment that the thought of it made me nauseous

Have never voted for a Clinton
Would never vote for a Clinton

 

I've never vote for even one Clinton in my life. I voted for Bush senior against Slick Willie but that evil Ross Perot ran as a third party candidate and Clinton became our 42nd President. I'm on record as being against it.

 

I'd vote for the right Democrat over the wrong Republican. It's more likely that Trump will have a family intervention than it is that he will be the 2024 nominee. His tweet today was so outlandish that I wasn't completely kidding about him falling off the wagon and drunk tweeting.

Regarding your points:

Neither of those guys could carry DeSantis' or Cotton's jock. Graham was one of the guys that Trump dropped in the primaries and McCarthy is cut from the same cloth. You talking about fundamental differences of fortitude.

No. Those are solid policy stances that Trump was simply sharp enough to adopt. Those that are outside the GOP base have this view that Trump shaped the movement, he didn't, he was simply sharp enough to sense the direction and run to the head of it. Then an interesting thing occurred, for the first time since Reagan we had a leader who refused to cross us. Reagan didn't because what he articulated flowed from his soul. Trump was a lifelong Democrat, he didn't because he was smart enough to see that he had no choice, the only thing that carried Trump was the allegiance of the base. You seem to be reading this to mean that the Trump controlled the Base when it meant the opposite. The Bush's, McCain, Romney, Ryan, Christie, Jeb! the Cheney's and the rest of the clowns who claimed to be the GOP leadership used us and then planted the knife between our shoulder blades when it suited them. They were much closer to the Dem Leadership in viewpoint and outlook than the GOP base. They don't even like us. Trump had no such luxury, if he crossed us, he was immediately done. If you'll remember he briefly considered it on gun control and then backed off like he had touched a hot stove when the situation was more closely explained to him.

The GOP Base took control of the party with Reagan, but lost control with Papa Bush and did not regain control until Trump. But, make make no mistake the GOP Base controls the Party, not Trump.

There was fraud. Florida is one of the 3rd largest state in the nation and they quickly and accurately count all their votes and report all their races on election night. These cities that drag their elections out for a week are more and doing so that they can see how many ballots they have to come up with to fix the races. It the same 5 or so cities/counties every election. Nobody else in the country is pulling this crap. We all know why and simply stating the obvious isn't going to hurt DeSantis at all, especially as he points to Florida's stellar system.

He's not going to call out Trump, he's going to speak past him, affirm the things that Trump did well, and Trump did a LOT well, and describe his own forward vision for the country. After Trump successfully took out Hillary, which was his first assignment, his next assignment was to take out the Swamp, and he didn't lay a glove on them, instead, they took him out. Why would a second Trump term be any different?

He's not Trump-lite. He's DeSantis and he doesn't emulate anyone, and if Trump comported himself like DeSantis does, he would have taken 53% of the popular vote.

I completely disagree. He's best ignored and marginalized. His policies were fine, it was his craziness that limited him. So simply affirm his good policies and then don't interfere while he hangs himself with his Trumpiness.

I never said that.

Christie was in all the early debates. He took himself out taking out Marco Rubio and by revealing himself to be way too aligned with the neocon warmongers.

Big deal. Cotton and DeSantis have an essential fearlessness that perhaps you are missing because of how self-disciplined they are. They are both Iraq war vets and Cotton was commanding troops in the field. He fears nothing.

 

Trump did not say what the OP article and tweet posted.

 

I don't need to "believe" anything. I can just read the difference between Trump's post and the headlines of the articles about Trump's post.

 

Claiming he didn't is a special kind of equivocation.