Let's terminate the Constitution!!

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  1. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    So I guess you never actually posted Trump's post. But that's O.K., 'cause now we have a thread, with Trump trying to argue your case, started by XXJEFFERSON#51:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...him-of-wanting-to-“terminate”-the-con.606172/


    One question: in what possible way, could this wrong be "righted," which would not require the discarding of the Constitution? Because the only two things that come to mind-- having a midterm re-running of the election or, as it seems Trump favors, merely re-installing him as President-- are neither of which allowed, within the Constitution.
     
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    That's according to a court filing by Trump lawyers.:roflol:
    Was that Christine Bobb or Habba?
     
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    Back up!
    Those documents legally should have been turned over to the NARA before Biden was inaugurated.
    It took until Jan 2022 for Trump to turn over those 15 boxes.
    That's 1 year.
    And he still kept up his lying schemes to keep classified documents.
    He and all of his co-conspirers deserve everything they get.
    Do keep up on whose been before the GJ.
    Not pretty for Trump with Pat Cipollone and Pat Philbin back for the second time.
     
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    Bullshit they're not stolen.

    The NARA was asking Trump before he left office for documents and Mark Meadows was their point guy and supposedly taking care of it.
    They then began in May 2021 asking for documents and going back and forth with Trump's lawyers and it wasn't until Jan 2022 that Trump's lawyers said they had the boxes to hand over,
     
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    It took Trump 48 hours to post his "fake news" response to the news media.
    Very telling, the victim is usually right on it. :roflol:
     
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    Well, tell a guy, when you leave him a gift...
    I just checked, and that is the post that I answered: yes, I saw the link-- thanks-- but I said that I guess this meant you hadn't posted the actual post. You Know-- as in a "snip."


    More importantly: do you deny, if Trump expects a new, mid-term Presidential election, or just to have himself automatically re-installed, that either way, this would be a trashing of the Constitution? And if it isn't one of those things, he's referring to, by the steps that "must be immediately taken to RIGHT the Wrong," what else, in God's name, could he mean?
     
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    Good analysis of just how ugly and dangerous Trump and his GQP enablers are.



     
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    I graciously accept your concession.
     
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    He dropped out.
    And then he dropped back in.

    On the eve of election day 1992, CNN released a double poll:

    Threeway: Clinton 43 / Bush 37 / Perot 18
    Clinton actually won by +5.56%, just shy of +6, so the poll was a bullseye.

    Two-way, without Perot:
    Clinton 55 / Bush 45

    So, Perot didn't steal the "erection" (Herschel Walker, LOL) from Bush. He was a drag equally on both candidates.
     
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    But the reason he gave in public was that Bill Clinton had "re-energized" the race.
     
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    It read to me as if he wanted to terminate parts of the Constitution. Well, that can't be done unless we toss the whole thing.

    Or, we could do a constitutional amendment. But that is civics 101, and he should have framed his tweet to mention it, and he didn't. Clearly, he lacks the fundamental knowledge to even be president, and it was evident when he was president. He doesn't read, and his speech reflects it.

    IF the president or anyone wanting to be president can't utter a compound sentence and be relatively syntactically and grammatically correct, he or she has no business being president. All politicians, and just about everyone else in the world, make gaffs, that's not a problem, but Trump guffaws just about every time he puts his thoughts in writing or opens his mouth. Is it any wonder he went to great lengths do conceal his academic record?

    Trump's English is about at the 4th grade, way too subpar for a man of that station. So, in short, he deserves whatever the media can hurl at him arising from the ill wind the bellows from his lips.
     
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    I disagree.

    I wonder, do you apply this to EVERY politician? Or, just to the ones you don't like? How about Fetterman? Biden? Nancy? My point is, there are a lot of politicians who don't speak clearly. Do you want the media to attack them and spin their words, too?

    Oh, about concealing academic records - since Obama went through even GREATER lengths to conceal HIS records, yet Obama doesn't have a problem speaking, what do you suppose was HIS motivation?
     
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    The elections are legitimate and have been legitimate as they have ever been, noting that all elections and I mean ALL elections have irregularities, but none sufficient to prove the charge, or alter the outcome of any election. What Trump did was exploit this fact to his perceived advantage, and, in so doing, has destroyed confidence in elections to millions of people, and thus has damaged America more than any president in history, to the delight of Putin. The man is a threat to national security (not to mention his reckless handling of national defense information documents for which others have been sent to prison for far less).

    He's the only guy promoting the idea, or at least he is the one that started the rumour, by shouting into the largest megaphone on earth, the bully pulpit, months before the first ballot was ever cast, 'The only way Democrats can win is if they rig the election", which he repeated at every rally, week after week after week, such that on 1/6, it created the mantra 'stop the steal' which erupted like exploding lava in a juggernaut of rage prompting the attack and breach of the capitol.

    And even Trump has admitted he tends to cause rage in people.



    Trump is the prime mover of the lack of public confidence in the election. Never in history had their ever been any talk about elections like they ar talking about it now. Trump is the source of the rumor, He is the blower of the bellows of ill wind across the land.

    You can't terminate parts of the constitution, you'd have to toss the entire thing. You can add amendments, and that's it. That's how your 'consent of the governed' would rightfully manifest. That he didn't frame his tweet correctly indicates a fundamental lack of knowledge of civics and as such, he has no business being president.

    Moreover, to date, he has yet to provide evidence of his allegation that Democrats rigged the election. A thorough scrutiny of the allegation and one can easily see the absurdity of the allegation. Our nation is too big, too many states with diverse voting methods and rules, districts, it would require thousands of volunteers enlisted of both political persuasions months in advance, and surely someone or several would blow the whistle. Who would volunteer, get nothing in return, and risk going to jail and know that it wouldn't be hard to get caught. Where are the whistleblowers? There are none, nothing of any real smoking gun consequence. The whole idea is absurd. Even the fact that the ballots for Biden had down ballots for Repubs, disproves the whole theory. Trump alleged dead people voting, machine tampering, ballot switching and ballot tampering, all sorts of ridiculous things of which there is zero evidence. Why would dems allow Repubs to take 50 seats in the Senate? That's risky, could have easily been lost. It just doesn't make sense.

    Trump is wholly unfit for the presidency.
     
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    The attachment, if you click on it, actually opens an image of Trump's Truth Social post. That shouldn't be difficult.

    I can barely imagine the mechanism of how to accomplish what Trump wants. In theory, I suppose the Supreme Court could order a new election, since courts have ordered new elections for other offices in the past, and that wouldn't be unconstitutional, although it would be without precedent, but they would never do it based on this Twitter Laptop story, since that is not, in essence about the election, but about manipulation of the news, in which the election is a secondary effect.

    Can you think of a mechanism in which Trump gets his do over election that would be unconstitutional?
     
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    Hmm.. So the fact that the DNC uses the KKK and now ANTIFA/BLM as their armed insurrection wing never stops being a fact. Got it.
     
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    Which documents? You've only been "told" that absent any substantiation. That, in court, is simply hearsay. So, facts, not in evidence. If this ever goes to trial, the government will have the obligation to submit the evidence, at which point it will be a fact in evidence. So, you're simply wrong here. You think you know a fact that hasn't ever been validated. That sounds a lot like faith to me....
     
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    Adam Shytty has already gone on record. So, has happened.
     
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    And yet, those emails are out there for public review. So, facts actually in evidence.
     
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    The reason he'd given for dropping out, you mean?
     
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    You are basically using the Republican talking point, about this, that, since what Trump is calling for, will never happen, it is ignorable. He seems, to me, to be calling to be re-installed as President. As I'd earlier posted, I think his reason, is to normalize this kind of talk (which he in fact is succeeding in doing, when Republicans don't automatically condemn it-- acting as if it is acceptable, regardless of their reason for treating it as if it were not bordering on treasonous language). Then, when there may be some future opportunity for him to more realistically call for action from his supporters-- to storm a place where votes are being counted, for instance-- it won't seem anything grossly unAmerican, to everyone.

    Something like this, on a smaller scale, has already affected our Presidential election. Back in 2000, a mob of Bush supporters, threatening a center where votes were being counted, stopped that count, which was part of the reason that the decision over Florida's votes that year, with their "hanging chads," was decided, not within Florida's election system, but by the Supreme Court. So these roving mobs of Bush-boosters, did effectively change our nation's election result, and the course of history.
     
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    How nice of you. :)
     
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    You may be conflating two separate matters in regards to Meadows role in documents being turned over to NARA.

    Of course they're "not stolen". :)
     
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    Younger and with less baggage. Whether that baggage is real or largely fiction doesn't matter. And note Trump is in his late seventies and frankly his eating habits are likely to remove him from the scene by 2024 in any case. Both he and Joe are at the upper edges of male American life expectancy already.
     
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    No he didn't.
     

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