LGBTQ Workplace Discrimination Case Comes To The Supreme Court

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  1. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    You not liking gay people is a you problem.
    You not wanting gay people to have the same liberties as you is a you problem.
    You not agreeing with them being gay is a you problem.
    You wanting to restrict them from having the same rights and liberties as straight folks is their problem caused by you.

    Do you understand now?
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can you cite me on the things you accused me of. What I actually did say is minorities use their minority status as a crutch and people need to play defense when working around them or they might get sued. Victimhood status is what the left sells to all minorities and the number of hoaxes we see coming from them is a sign that they believe playing the victim card will advance whatever it is they’re after.
     
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    It makes him similar to Bill Clinton, who became POTUS with 43% of the vote. If we ran elections on majority popular support you might have a point. Funny even the Democratic party runs their primaries on an electoral type system.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is funny isn’t it!
    Almost like we have a two party system that is more focused on their party than the county!

    I see you ran from the other topic, you should reevaluate your position if you can’t defend it in the slightest.
    Just a thought...
     
  5. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Ok, easy questions.... Do you support homosexuals getting married? Do you believe homosexuals should receive the same tax benefits straight married couples currently do? If not, why? And also if not, have you told your family and friends that they don't deserve to have the same benefits as you simply because they are homosexuals?
     
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  6. Professor Peabody

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    It's a funeral home. Even the loss of one customer can mean a loss of thousands of dollars, at which point he would be the one let go if business declined. Or if it were me I would put him in charge of cleaning the embalming room away from the public.
     
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    "LGBTQ Workplace Discrimination Case Comes To The Supreme Court"

    will be interesting to see if Trump's picks support discrimination or not
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    some are pretty scary, most are not

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  9. Steve N

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    No. That doesn't mean I'm against their unions, it means I won't fight to call it marriage. Marriage has been defined for ages as a union between a man and a woman, and the word for a union between a man and a woman has been defined for ages as marriage. The LGBT community has come up with a way to identify themselves, i.e. the LGBT community, so surely they can come up with a word to define their unions. On this subject I share the same opinion with Obama and both Clintons.

    No. Humans are humans, Americans are Americans, and gays deserve the same benefits as all other humans and Americans. Their sexuality is not my problem until they use their sexuality to get an advantage they wouldn't get if they were straight and I do not like their sexuality forced upon me.

    Here's the thing, you see these people as gays, I see them as American humans. You want gays to have special protections, I want all American humans to have the same protections and rights as I do and vice versa.
     
  10. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    You say all this, but you are against homosexuals getting married and have the same liberties as straight married couples have. So no, you do not want them to have the same rights as you enjoy. Have you told your family and friends who are gay your true feelings about them?
     
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    I’m against gay unions being called marriages. If the LGBT community finds it so vital to deferentiate what they are then why can’t they find an ABC to define their unions? They call themselves gay in order to make sure we all know they’re not straight, so why cant they find a word which speaks to the world that their union isn’t straight?

    BTW, the word marriage is associated with straight people, so why would gays want to be associated with straight people? You invented the word gay as to inform the masses your’re not straight, so why the hang up on the word marriage?

    The rest of your post is just spoon fed liberal rambling.
     
  12. WalterSobchak

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    Uh huh, I bet you believe homosexuals created the word f*gs too back when you forced them to live secret lives in the closet.
     
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  13. Steve N

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    Lol...you mean there were no libs back in the day when gays lived in closets? I’m not going to look it up, but can you tell me when/who was the first lib to come to the rescue of gays. Clinton said don’t ask, don’t tell, but didn’t want them to get married, and neither did his husband a few years later, and neither did Obama. And the 1.6 billion people you call minorities, they throw them off roof tops. Maybe you should take your fight over to one of those peaceful countries and see how that works out.
     
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    I live in the United States. A place where ALL Americans get to enjoy the same rights and liberties such as myself. It's a shame cons don't feel that way about their fellow Americans. Especially cons who claim they have family and friends he gladly accepts as having less rights as himself.

    Sad.
     
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    See my post #84. You should work for CNN.
     
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    If my personal experience and the general perception of trans people, it’s not surprising they can cause issues at a typical workplace. . I work with plenty of gay people. I’d describe them as completely normal, some more flamboyant than others, but completely professional. However I’ve NEVER met what I’d call a normal Trans or individual with gender dysphoria. They’re all over extremely overly emotional and what I’d call a little unstable. Besides the obvious discomfort most people feel when an an obvious man or woman is dressed like the opposite sex it only compounds the issues if that person has attitude problems. That **** just doesn’t fly in a corporate workplace where you need a stable culture. If 1 person can de disruptive to the whole team, it’s NOT the team. It’s the odd person out and it’s not because the person is LGBT. It’s the attitude or personality. Being LGBT is just a consequence of the social issues. And no an entire office shouldn’t have to ACCEPT disruptive or abnormal behavior. They need to conform to the office not the other way around. Claiming I just need to be me doesn’t fly. If YOU are disruptive then you’re disruptive.

    And just to be clear I’m for equal right across the board. Marriage. Tax breaks. Whole deal. But NOT special rights. A straight person can be fired for being a dick but can’t sue that he was fired for being male or straight so LGBT shouldn’t be able to sue for discrimination if the whole reason was their attitude.

    CNNs recent town hall shows very clearly how some people simply aren’t fit to work in what I’d call a typical workplace. That kind of emotion and lack of self control is very disruptive not appropriate.
     
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    Ironically anti-discrimination legislation itself is part of the reason leading to people getting discriminated against.

    If I'm an employer, and there is a trans gay eskimo, who I foresee may have an attitude problem, I'm going to run for the hills!
    That could be a lawsuit just waiting to happen.

    Some of these employees, right before they're about to get fired or demoted, will file a discrimination lawsuit out of anger or spite, or just to try to come out financially ahead.
     
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    You make some great points, but there's more. Imagine you work with a guy for 5 or 10 years and one day he comes out and says he's a woman. Now he still looks the same, sounds the same, acts the same except he switched sides. How are you, me and the rest of the world supposed to stop on a dime and call him she or her? It would be impossible for everyone to instantly stop thinking of that person as a man and refer to him as a woman. When that happens, the employee has a harassment complaint and many places will actually fine the employer because the employee wasn't called by his preferred pronoun.
     
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    Well that would be communism, that said, people have been docked pay before because of their screw-ups, that is nothing new.
     
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    Someone I’ve worked with for over a decade suddenly asked everyone to start calling him by his middle name one day. We’ve all known him as Pedro. Suddenly he’s Kenneth now. But no one sees him as Kenneth. He’s still Pedro and we all have to check ourselves constantly. Very awkward. That’s weird enough. Having to deal with name and gender would be a lot worse.

    I totally get the issues any Trans or overly flamboyant person can bring to the table. They would have to be extremely talented for me to ignore any personality issue. Where I work we call it a “cultural fit.” We get that all out of the way through the interview process. If that individual a month later isn’t the same person we interviewed than that’s misrepresentation and certainly grounds for termination IMO. That’s lying. That’s not the kind of person I want to work with.
     
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    There must be a tangible screw up like letting a company car roll into another vehicle. Chasing away thousands in business can not.
     
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    Separate but equal has already been ruled unconstitutional. Gay people first attempted to have civil unions that were very similar to marriage but let have heterosexuals have exclusive rights to the word “marriage”. Religious groups stopped that also. They also banned all marriage like contracts in numerous states. So marriage became the goal.

    Marriage was originally a transfer of ownership of property between a father and the husband. Throughout the years it has banned interracial couples, interfaith couples, put limitations based on family social status, banned divorce, took it to a religious method, and then a civil one. To act like it is some unchanging and untouchable term is just a tad dishonest.[/QUOTE]
     
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    What benefits or advantages do gay people get that heterosexuals are denied?

    Y'all keep making this statement but can never state a single item.
     
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    Gays can have their gay pride parade, a straight pride parade, if it was allowed to take place, would be condemned and protested. Straight people don’t have a pride month or flag, and it would be considered hateful to suggest it. Gays can be victims of hate crimes, but not straight people. Gays can use their orientation as a defense just like my sister does, but straight people can’t do that. Being straight isn’t promoted in school, but being gay is celebrated.

    So what benefits do straight people that are denied to gays?
     
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    The only one I can think of is the ability to yell discrimination at basically ANYTHING. It’s the primary benefit of minority status in general. That fell on deaf ears in the past sadly. Now it’s on hyperdrive and is being abused across the board from every “protected” group. The fact we even refer to any group as protected is certainly part of the problem That has to go.
     

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