Liberals, I'm Curious. How much money is enough? What's the max?

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  1. gabmux

    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol. You've given enough evidence already.....

    There are no "deeper meanings".... just lame excuses.
     
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    I’m asking you to back up your claim. Please do so. With something factual.







    Excuses for what?
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's right here...you said it yourself.

    Are you asking me to back up your own statement?

    For not following your own Bible.
     
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    I stand behind my assertion to another poster that few Christians follow actual tenets of the Bible. We have agreed on that point repeatedly when we’ve both called out hypocrisy. I’m asking you to back up your definitive claim.
    I’ll reiterate your interpretation of the story of the Good Samaritan is based on a false premise. You are incorrect on the facts. The only possible non believer in the story would be the victim of the robbery and beating. Or the inn keeper. Yet you want to impose advice given to one man on all of Christianity. And interpret the rest of scripture for humanity. Even when faced with being incorrect factually.

    Again I’m asking you to back up your claim Christians are the ones turning their backs.
    The only data I can find shows conservatives and Christians are consistently more generous with charitable causes and philanthropy than liberals and non Christians. Yes even liberal Christians are on par with right leaning Christians. That’s on top of tax they pay to fund government’s failed war on poverty that has actually exacerbated the problem
    While there are hypocrites and we all fail to be our best from time to time it appears the facts show you to be incorrect.
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It all boils down to this statement right here.

    Should I trust that you have "something factual" to back that up?
     
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    Patience. We are getting there. I need you to present your evidence. When you insinuated I was blurting things out I couldn’t substantiate I documented my claim. All you have given is innuendo. Please demonstrate Christians are the ones turning their back on the down and out. That is your claim. Or are you backing away from that claim?

    You have posted content to back my claim in part even though you are now demonstrating you don’t actually understand my claim to the other poster.

    I would be interested to know at this point what your priorities are. Are you more concerned about making sure the down and out are cared for or exposing hypocrisy of Christians? I don’t want to waste your time documenting things you only feign interest in.
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If U R really concerned about wasting time, then stop wandering around.

    I quoted your post....
    You stated that U and I are in agreement....
    Then U follow with this....
    Now you want me to explain why we agree?
    Can U explain why we agree? It is quite the anomaly after all.
    Why not just except this unusual progress and continue from here?

    But if U still feel it's important to back up this claim....
    Go ahead. I'm listening...
     
  8. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Nothing, that's what we do already. 22% of every paycheck I earn is taken and redistributed to society to keep society running. Taxing the ever living crap out of the "rich" is basically just punishing people for having the audacity to do well under our Capitalistic economic system. Yeah I get it, taking 50% of my paycheck would hurt more than taking 50% of somebody with a net worth of like $50 million. Just like taking 22% of my paycheck hurts less than taking 22% of somebody making minimum wage in San Francisco. That's why we have tax brackets.

    This is more of a moral question than an economic one and the OP's question is a pretty valid one. How much money should anybody be allowed to have and at what point do we as a society say you have enough you don't need anymore give the government the rest of it.

    I don't like taxing the crap out of the rich for moral reasons. Here's the thing, yeah they are rich, but I'm also "rich" to somebody. I am "rich" to my younger self who lived on minimum wage for years. I'm "rich" to the burger flipper in San Francisco trying to make a living in a city with an absolutely asinine cost of living. The quality of life difference between somebody scraping by on minimum wage and myself is about the same as the quality of life difference between myself as comfortable middle class and the rich. So if I'm not willing to give up half of my paycheck to help "society" even though I can pretty easily afford it then why should I be ok with those who make more money than me doing that?

    As a single guy I don't NEED a 3 bedroom home any more than the rich guy NEEDS a yacht. But that doesn't mean society has the right to just take my money because they have collectively decided that I don't need that much.

    I currently earn way more money than I actually NEED, so do rich people, if I'm not willing to give up the money I don't NEED then what gives me the right to ask somebody else to do that? Because they have more than me? No.
     
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    You aren’t listening. You are demanding answers and refusing to back your claims.

    Should we assume you are conceding you are wrong about Christians turning their back on the down and out?

    Should I assume hypocrisy is your area of interest, not providing for the needy?

    I have given you the opportunity to clarify.

    Are you aware my claim of Christians not following tenets of the Bible is not the same as claiming Christians care less and act less in the care of the down and out?

    The only thing we agree on is hypocrisy exists. You erroneously tried to use a Samaritan to prove Christians are the only hypocrites but now you are more concerned about hypocrisy than making sure the poor are looked after.

    Again, I’m happy to demonstrate why I believe my claim to the other poster is true. But so far you have offered nothing but incorrect information and innuendo. It’s your turn to offer something substantial.
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks for your honesty.
    You've made it abundantly clear that you don't "NEED" it.
    And I have no reason to doubt your conclusion.
    But why is it so important for you to hang on to something that you don't "NEED"?
    How does it diminish you to give up something that you don't "NEED" anyway?
    There must be a reason this upsets you. No?
     
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    Yup that's what its all about for the leftist, take from and give to, never work for and give to from them :)
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've already done that.
    Look at post #201 at the top of this page.
    Look at your responses to a quote from your own Bible.
    Would most "Christians" agree with your statements? Probably.
    Do you agree that they would agree with you?
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree...

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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Because I'm no hypocrite, there are certain moral codes that I live by and not being hypocritical is very important to me.

    The vast majority of people in the developed world have things they don't NEED but aren't actively just giving their stuff up. I don't need this computer I'm currently typing on, I have a laptop I can use for work if I need to but I have this expensive gaming computer that I built that I spend most of my time browsing the internet on. I don't need 3 TV's in my house, I haven't turned one of them on in months. I don't need my truck, I could sell that thing and get a much less expensive one that will still get me from point A to point B. I didn't need to spend over $100 the other night for a fancy dinner at a nice restaurant. I can get the same nutritional and caloric requirements to sustain myself as a human being for a couple of bucks. But I wanted a nice ribeye steak instead, so I bought one.

    And like I said before, I have no reason to NEED my 3 bedroom home. It's seriously just me in here I don't even have a dog. I haven't stepped foot in one of my bedrooms in like 6 months. I could move into a 1 or 2 bedroom apartment and save a lot of money. Hell I could even pay the rent for this place, move a family of 4 in here who could actually use the space for free out of the goodness of my heart and then go rent myself a small apartment and STILL have money to burn. But I won't. I have a quality of life that I enjoy and I believe I've earned my right to it through hard work and dedication.

    All of the excess money I earn goes into a variety of savings and retirement type accounts so I can retire one day and maintain the same quality of life that I have right now, and hopefully an even better one.

    Point is, the way I always view things is I'm not going to personally advocate for anything that I would not personally be willing to do myself. I wouldn't support the government telling me that I have "enough" money and they are going to take the rest of it, so I'm not going to support the government telling anybody else that either.

    I learned that as a child, don't do something to somebody else that you wouldn't want done to you. Well I don't want half of my paycheck taken in taxes so I'm not going to support that happening to somebody else either. Yeah I get it, even if we taxed the crap out of the 1% they could still live la vida loca. Well in the eyes of the minimum wage worker in NYC if you taxed the crap out of me I would still be living la vida loca too. Because in the eyes of the lower class, yes I am "rich".
     
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    Quoting me isn’t backing your claim.

    I’ve done your research for you enough in this thread.
    I thought this was sarcasm. Apparently not. Do your research and come back when you can show Christians are the ones turning their back on the down and out.

    Until then you have nothing but a record of false information and innuendo.
     
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    While you are researching I’ll ask this. Is this statement by you to be taken literally in all discourse or just in the context of our conversation?
     
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    This would actually do more harm to society than help those in lower tax brackets and for those that make less. Limiting people to make this amount of money virtually means nobody can afford high end merchandise like Mercedes Benz, Porsche, Yachts, power boats. Not to mention the amount of damage it would do to the real estate industry.

    All the people, from salesmen to mechanics to receptionists, retailers, accountants, building and facilities services,etc would all be out of work. The ramifications of such a stupid idea would destroy the economy and drive us towards what happened to Venezuela, just on a larger sale. In addition to this, the world wide effect would be catastrophic as a lot of over seas manufactures would lose a huge market share.

    For instance, a high end BMW has parts manufactured all over Germany and around the world. These parts are then shipped down to South Africa where the cars are "built". From there, the cars are distributed to other parts of the world that include the United States. The amount of jobs and manpower that goes into this industry is quite large. Imagine killing it all. This is just one car manufacturer in one industry but spans many countries.

    Capitalism is the only way the world will continue to move forward. Setting income levels would be a disaster. Besides, we already have taxes that force people to redistribute their incomes. You should look into how rich property tax areas fund schools in lower income counties. It happens all over the United States, The poor areas are still extremely poor despite a huge influx of cash. There is a reason for that and it has nothing to do with lack of money and everything to do with the people living there and destroying the very places they live.
     
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    What better way to back my claim than to show you your own statements?
    If that doesn't work for you, than what would be acceptable to U?
    U say we agree on the issue, but you provide nothing to back up your claim?

    It all started here...
    This was your attempt to discredit his observation....
    Yet in your very same post U agreed with Mr._Truth....
    This picture sums up my thoughts on this subject,
    Your god instructs U to "sell all you have and give to the poor",
    and you (and most other of your so called "believers")
    want to debate the issue with Him.
    You're afraid your tax money might feed and house lazy people.
    Therefore U and and your "believers" are against tax money being used for
    social programs which U describe as handouts.
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    What did your god tell you in reference to paying your taxes?
     
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    It’s ok. Keep looking for that evidence of your claims. I can wait! :)
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol..
    I've already given U the evidence...but evidently you're looking for a "deeper meaning".
    Lol. That seems to be the "Christian" way these days.
     
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    Ok. You did say you were a liberal looking for a handout. The information to back your claim doesn’t exist. But everyone who’s ever actually looked into this issue seriously already knows that.

    You keep wanting to go back to Mathew19:21.

    Is this to be taken literally?
     
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    Hey Christian professing righties - how much giving is enough for you? 99% 100% ??
     
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    How much giving is enough for you? How much for Christian professing lefties?
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I think the better question is where is this belief coming from that we are "supposed" to give each other anything at all?

    I don't remember any particular part of the Constitution that states my neighbor is entitled to my stuff...
     
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    Promote the general welfare...
     

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