Liberals Worry Government Agencies Might Be Held Responsible For Parkland Shooting, Not The NRA

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  1. Sanskrit

    Sanskrit Well-Known Member

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    The NRA is no more nor less responsible for legislative and thus social/cultural outcomes than any other lobby, the NEA for example, a far larger, richer, more culturally and socially destructive lobby. As far as big, powerful, harmful lobbies go? The NRA is truly a bit player. Don't like the vast influence of lobbies in politics (I sure don't)? Then advocate for smaller, less central, less overpowered federal government, and for more local government that isn't as easily coopted by lobby $$.

    Note the sector lobbying chart and the amounts on the right lower chart within this link:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobbying_in_the_United_States

    The NRA, with a total budget of $200-250 million isn't really even on the radar, yet we hear mountains more negative press on them than the big lobbying players... many of whom likely have far more mountainous "death tolls," just not bloody, catastrophic, obvious death tolls, associated with them (ever wonder how toxic sodas and candy are eligible for purchase with SNAP food stamp benefits... want to hazard a guess at what multiple that kills over "gun violence?") Why do we hear the least about the largest, most powerful lobbies? BECAUSE THEY PAY GRAFT TO THE gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex for SILENCE... and for DEFLECTION of attention that would go to them and their vastly larger scale harmful efforts onto easy targets like the NRA.

    It's not all about economics. As a matter of fact and not opinion, identity politics, from Long to Warren and all stops in between, is part and parcel of Marxist/Maoist/Leninist social destabilization techniques. The progressive leftism that holds sway today is almost all identity politics, pitting supposed victim groups against oppressor groups (falsely). Feminism and the black grievance industry are, as a matter of fact and not opinion, fully rooted in Marxism, and until just a few decades ago, their adherents were proud, self-identifying Marxists. The term "radical" was coined as a softer replacement during then Cold War, and then "liberal," a gross misnomer for which the nonleft is mostly to blame. But the labels don't matter that much (unless LW, who label more than anyone, yet reject ANY labels applied to themselves). What the LW is, does and advocates for, also as a matter of fact and not opinion, is larger, more powerful, central collectivist government. Whether you call it Marxist, socialist, radical, liberal, etc., collectivism is collectivism.
     
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    Owning a car requires a registration if you wish to use it on the road.
     
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    Write a check and own a car.
     
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    It is stupid to think that you can own a weapon and the sky is the limit. It is not a toy and why would you object to registration?
    You wouldn't lose your right to own and isn't that the point?
     
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    And only if. Since you suggested we resister guns like cars, this means you accept not registering guns as a condition of purchase, ownership, possession, and use on private property.
     
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    As you have already agreed: Rights are rights.
    The constitution protects all rights with equal veracity; a restriction held as unconstitutional on one rights is unconstitutional on all.
    The right to keep and bear arms is not some red-headed stepchild that can be treated differently from the others.
     
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    Not exactly as cars are registered, but you get the idea. Sometimes a bullet may stray, yes?
     
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    Guns are not equal.
     
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    Moving the goalpost, eh?
    Registration as a condition for basic ownership of a firearm violates the Constitution as it creates a precondition to the exercise of the right not inherent to so same.
     
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    The constitution protects all rights with equal veracity; a restriction held as unconstitutional on one rights is unconstitutional on all.
    You agreed to this.
     
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    Liberals Worry Government Agencies Might Be Held Responsible For Parkland Shooting, Not The NRA

    Is there some reason we can't hold the shooter responsible?
     
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    Because you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip.
     
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    Not now it isn't.
     
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    Right, and you have the right to own a gun.
     
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    Yet you have ZERO compelling argument for firearm registration by law-abiding citizens.

    But thanks for playing.:trophy:<<<(Your lib/prog participation trophy.)
     
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    There is ZERO compelling argument for any rules for law-abiding citizens.
     

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