Liberals Worry Government Agencies Might Be Held Responsible For Parkland Shooting, Not The NRA

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  1. TOG 6

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    Rights are rights.
    The constitution protects all rights with equal veracity; a restriction held as unconstitutional on one rights is unconstitutional on all.
    The right to keep and bear arms is not some red-headed stepchild that can be treated differently from the others.
     
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    My post was clear; your failure to meaningfully address it indicates my point is clear as well.
     
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    Love the NRA strawman you built that is based on silly hyperbole.

    First, the NRA never advocated for bump stocks. In fact, they suggested that the ATF reclassify them. The so-called cop killer bullets were designed for use BY cops, not against cops. The NRA helped with the legislation that did finally ban them. There are no guns invisible to x-ray that were ever sold in the civilian marketplace. In fact, the guns that supposedly are invisible to X-rays are the now almost common Glock 17, which are among the most common guns used by police officers.
     
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    (I re-quoted this ^^^ so others can see what you are replying to and they can see the absolute idiocy of your reply.)
     
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    Soooooooooooooo...

    ...oBozo reviewed it as well and was "bought off" by the NRA.

    Was that "funny"?

    Did you laugh or cry?
     
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    Obama's Promise Program prevented Cruz from being arrested and having a criminal record that would have prevented him from buying that gun. The FBI was handed two warnings about Cruz on a silver platter that Barney Fife could have tracked down with a hangover, but they were too busy looking for Russians under beds. The school was a gun-free-wish zone imposed by Liberal thinking and had only one armed guard that was wandering around outside where he would be safe. Liberalism killed those kids - no way around this one.
     
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    I know bad guys who would have been affected because they fear getting caught. There has to be some oversight, and right now there is none.
     
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    Right, and you would notify the state that you sold it and to whom.
     
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    No offense but anecdotal evidence means nothing
     
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    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

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    You have the right to own a car, also.
     
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    There needs to be oversight where weapons are concerned.
     
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    All of our rights have the same oversight, including the RKBA.
    And as far as bad guys not having fear getting caught - if they do not, it's because current laws are not being fully enforced.
     
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    Good to see you agree with my post.
     
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    No, you do not.
     
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    Oversight where the problem isn't there?

    How stupid is that?
     
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    The NRA is no more nor less responsible for legislative and thus social/cultural outcomes than any other lobby, the NEA for example, a far larger, richer, more culturally and socially destructive lobby. As far as big, powerful, harmful lobbies go? The NRA is truly a bit player. Don't like the vast influence of lobbies in politics (I sure don't)? Then advocate for smaller, less central, less overpowered federal government, and for more local government that isn't as easily coopted by lobby $$.

    Note the sector lobbying chart and the amounts on the right lower chart within this link:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobbying_in_the_United_States

    The NRA, with a total budget of $200-250 million isn't really even on the radar, yet we hear mountains more negative press on them than the big lobbying players... many of whom likely have far more mountainous "death tolls," just not bloody, catastrophic, obvious death tolls, associated with them (ever wonder how toxic sodas and candy are eligible for purchase with SNAP food stamp benefits... want to hazard a guess at what multiple that kills over "gun violence?") Why do we hear the least about the largest, most powerful lobbies? BECAUSE THEY PAY GRAFT TO THE gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex for SILENCE... and for DEFLECTION of attention that would go to them and their vastly larger scale harmful efforts onto easy targets like the NRA.

    It's not all about economics. As a matter of fact and not opinion, identity politics, from Long to Warren and all stops in between, is part and parcel of Marxist/Maoist/Leninist social destabilization techniques. The progressive leftism that holds sway today is almost all identity politics, pitting supposed victim groups against oppressor groups (falsely). Feminism and the black grievance industry are, as a matter of fact and not opinion, fully rooted in Marxism, and until just a few decades ago, their adherents were proud, self-identifying Marxists. The term "radical" was coined as a softer replacement during then Cold War, and then "liberal," a gross misnomer for which the nonleft is mostly to blame. But the labels don't matter that much (unless LW, who label more than anyone, yet reject ANY labels applied to themselves). What the LW is, does and advocates for, also as a matter of fact and not opinion, is larger, more powerful, central collectivist government. Whether you call it Marxist, socialist, radical, liberal, etc., collectivism is collectivism.
     
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    Owning a car requires a registration if you wish to use it on the road.
     
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    Write a check and own a car.
     
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    It is stupid to think that you can own a weapon and the sky is the limit. It is not a toy and why would you object to registration?
    You wouldn't lose your right to own and isn't that the point?
     
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    And only if. Since you suggested we resister guns like cars, this means you accept not registering guns as a condition of purchase, ownership, possession, and use on private property.
     

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