Liberian Ebola Victim in Dallas not given experimental drugs that saved two others

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  1. CKW

    CKW Well-Known Member

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    I find this interesting.

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/experimental-ebola-drug-used-emory-hospital-no-lon/nhcS6/

    We have two Americans who survived due to an experiemental drug that just came out of the blue--no notice to speak of that they were coming straight to America for treatment. Its like the drug was on the shelf waiting for them.

    And after those Americans survived through it--presumably because of that treatment and the intensive care--we have no more drugs and no talk of any being made.

    I think that strange. Is the stuff expensive? Do we not want to give a message to other Liberians that come to America and get this drug to live?

    I don't like it. If the man is sick and we have a way to save his life, save it.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One, they don't have any more.
    Two, it has to be kept at like 300+ below zero.
    Three, it has to be somewhat tweaked for each recipient.
    Four, membership has its privileges. In the event Americans are infected, they require the meds more than a foreign national who lied in order to gain entry to the country. Life's hard.
     
  3. kronikcope

    kronikcope Active Member

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    From what I understand, two others who received the ZMapp drug died after taking it.
     
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    Yup, I also see this as very suspicious.
    Why were there so few vaccines? Where did they come from? Why isn't there any production being performed?
    I still have a strong feeling it's not that simple with this Ebola story at all.
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are we the only other country out of Western Africa with Ebola? France and the U.K. long ago restricted air travel from Western Africa. Why are the Liberals in the U.S. exposing our people to this horrific disease?
     
  6. BringDownMugabe

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    1) Air travel restrictions ignore the way Ebola is transmitted

    Ebola can only be contracted through direct contact with a sick person's bodily fluids. That means saliva, feces, urine, blood, vomit or semen. It isn't transmitted through the air, so you are more likely to catch a cold on a flight than Ebola.

    2) Travel restrictions make fighting Ebola much harder

    Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone are already economically isolated because this epidemic has spread far wider and lasted much longer than any other Ebola outbreak in history. What those countries need most now is assistance from the world.

    More flight restrictions will only make it more difficult for life-saving aid and medical professionals to reach West Africa. The restrictions already in place have proved so problematic that U.S. military forces are building an "air bridge" to get health workers and medical supplies to affected areas.

    "Any discontinuation of transport will affect humanitarian aid, doctors, nurses and human resources entering the country, the transfer of biological sampling and equipment for hospitals," Daniel Menucci, a representative for the World Health Organization Travel and Transport Task Force, said in August. “All of this needs international transporting, international airlines. This will create more problems in helping the countries most affected.”
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the UK and France have done no such thing
     
  8. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1. You are just going to keep towing this line, so there is no point in yet again debunking this notion. Trapped in a tube with someone sick from ebola is a fantastic way to transmit it. Allowing them to run around the country incubated and then sick from ebola is a fantastic way to transmit it. We then play a reflexive game of trying to contain it, rather than a proactive one.

    2. Fighting ebola is not our responsibility, and the military can transport those who do wish to volunteer for that effort... but what Liberia needs, is quarantine.
     
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    This is America! Screw him if he doesn't have insurance!
     
  10. CKW

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    Ebola has been an issue for years and the fear that we might be hit with it, has been going on for years.. If this guy....our only third case can't get it. Will we ever have enough when we do need it? I simply think its strange that the US has apparently only two doses of the stuff to use in our own country. Third guy is out of luck. If we are all out....where did it go? We are getting another Ebola case in Nebraska--an American citizen. It will be interesting to track his case.
     
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    JP5 Former Moderator Past Donor

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    Here's the reasons....including the most important one: STOCKS HAVE RUN OUT. It's hard to make, takes a long time to make, and has not worked for all those given it.

    "The Ebola patient in Dallas will not be given ZMapp, the experimental drug used to treat several international aid workers and medical staff, including at least two Americans, because stocks have run out.

    ZMapp is one of the drugs that is being rushed into trials in the epidemic, along with other drugs that will need more safety data in animals and humans before they are administered to patients.

    There have been very few doses available and stocks have all been used up, but the San Diego-based company behind ZMapp is pressing ahead with the manufacture of more supplies. It is not an easy drug to make, however. It includes three man-made antibodies to the virus which are grown in tobacco leaves and take months to produce.

    There is no proven drug treatment for Ebola viral disease. Until this year, outbreaks were sporadic, usually fairly swiftly contained and restricted to Africa. The few drugs in research and development for the disease were either still in the laboratory or had been tested only on animals."


    "When the epidemic in Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia spiralled out of control and it was clear that many health workers, including foreigners, were getting sick, the most advanced of these experimental drugs, ZMapp, was pulled out of the cupboard. It was given to two Americans – one a doctor working in west Africa with the charitable organisation the Samaritan’s Purse and the other a missionary. Dr Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol recovered. However, a Spanish priest, Miguel Pajares, also given ZMapp, died in hospital in Madrid.

    William Pooley, the British nurse evacuated to the UK with Ebola, also received ZMapp and survived, but a Liberian doctor, Abraham Borbor, who was given the drug died."

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/01/first-ebola-patient-us-no-zmapp

    SO....as you can see, there is little of it, and it's NOT the miracle that most people think it is.
     
  12. CKW

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    I get what you are saying...but it is so hard to believe that we allowed this be contained in Africa without looking into vaccines or focused research. Years ago when I was reading about Ebola--and the huge death rate---I assumed we (meaning our nation) would in some way be figuring a cure, for our own benefit. We gave huge amounts of money to help with malaria...which really had no benefit to our nation....but research on a horrible disease that might come our way wasn't of interest.

    The first outbreak was 1976. You'd of think we might be a bit farther ahead.
     
  13. perdidochas

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    Zmapp is extremely expensive and hard to make, and the entire stock of it was used on the two American patients, the Spanish priest, three Liberians in Liberia, and a British nurse.

    They are trying out a different drug on him.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eb...-ebola-patient-gets-experimental-drug-n219566
     

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