Liberty dies to thunderous applause, 2019 version

Technically you are probably correct.

OUR MODERN VERSION of capitalism is much closer to fascism. It is capitalism run amok.

 

It is as impossible for capitalism to run amok as it is for statism to create prosperity; or if you wish, to have too much freedom, too much money, or too much happiness. All of these are impossible to be. It’s just the reality of things.

 

It's not that capitalism has too much freedom, it is that humans are too frail. Because the men running the corporations have none or too little conscience and moral guidance, because they do not know right from wrong, the state must create reasonable regulations to limit the immoral actions of humans.

That is also the reality of things.

 

Update on situation at the embassy:

https://www.rt.com/news/459511-police-raid-venezuelan-embassy-dc/

The Washington police today invaded the Venezuelan embassy in violation of international law. Once again the federal government has demonstrated its lawlessness.

Naturally, the mainstream media doesn't cover it.

 

You know, one of the most moral statements a human being can make is, "I know how to make money". You might be surprised at the amount of ruthless honesty, self-discipline, and creative effort morality requires.
Here's a hint: Morality is not: helping little old ladies across the street, giving to charity, or praying in a church; it's making sure your planes fly as perfectly as you can.

Boeing is learning that lesson now, the hard way. And it's not the FAA that will show them the errors of their ways, nor is it posturing pragmatic politicians who wouldn't recognize morality even it ran over them with the force of a locomotive; its the market, and it will cost Boeing plenty, maybe even its existence, and it will feel like a locomotive ran them over. Only in the market does one find true morality; it is the court of final judgment.

And lastly, any law that violates the rights of the individual is not a moral, objective law; its a lash of the whip of tyranny, be it a mob who votes, or a tyrant that murders.

Again, if you really wish to discuss this, go here: http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/mans-future-the-pedestal-or-the-cross.550884/

This board is not the place:

BTW: Arresting the participants or leaders of a mob is not immoral, nor is it a threat to liberty; not arresting them would be, both morally and threateningly.

 

The article goes nazi right from the start. Thats where I stop reading. Everyone has a video camera in their cell phone, so if constitutional rights were violated, post the video.

 

LOL. When you rig an election, you know longer are the moral or legal authority of a nation.

Why do you wrap yourself in democracy and defend the lowest of the lowest, a two-bit tinpot despot with more blood on his hands then Pontius Pilate and Che Guevara? Maduro is a psychopathic sociopath with the appetite of a vampire. He has destroyed Venezuela. Hell, even Vietnam is doing better than Venezuela. About the only two countries in worse shape are Zimbabwe and North Korea. Though the Palestinians, with the boots of their masters, the Palestinian Authority, on their necks, might give them a run for their money as to who is in the most misery.

 

Would you agree to accepting dictionary definitions of moral and morality, or is your style of discussion using your own examples and opinions?

Webster shows the following: moral, Of or concerned with the principles of right and wrong in relation to human action and character.

Morality: The quality of being in accord with good and right conduct.

 

You do such a fine job of regurgitating State Department talking points that you could be working there.

No, Maduro is the elected president down there, and the US standing up for its own usurper Guido is simply another page out of its lengthy and very old playbook for overthrowing legitimately elected governments around the world.

The US invasion yesterday of the Venezuelan embassy is in violation of several treaties, and the US Constitution. Lawlessness is the way the federal government rolls, and you defend it.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-illegally-evicts-protectors-venezuelan-embassy/5677682

You defend the criminal actions of your government. What does that make you?

 

All we need is a big wall to keep the animals to our south out....it'll be like World War Z eventually at the rate they're going. Millions fleeing the shitholes they created.

 

If the dictionary defines morality as following the principles necessary to live a happy and joyous life, then we can agree. But if it defines morality as sacrificing for the common good, then no. That’s the exact opposite of morality. That’s living life backwards, hence, the term “evil”. And self sacrifice is about as evil as one can get.

 

Well it doesn't define it that way, as I've already pointed out.

Sorry Charlie, no can do. No can pretend to have an adult discussion with one who chooses to use his own definitions.

 

Elected or not, he murdered Venezuela. Look at it. Who you going to defend next, Pol Pot. Hell, now even the Cambodians are doing better than Venezuela.

Geesh. Populating eating dogs and zoo animals, and your praising democracy, and it’s, according to you, elected leader, because the majority loves him. Oh, praise be, Uncle Joe.

 

I would argue that dictionary definition is somewhat inadequate as it doesn’t define right or wrong. Istnt that the question? What is the “right” and what is the “wrong”. Based on your posts, I suggest your definition of the right is “the will of the people”, or majority opinion, or whatever society says it is. I have a different view, the right is that which is required for the individual to live a creative and prosperous life for his own happiness.

But again, not the place. Come. Visit. We won’t be bored.

 

In a fascist form of government it is the state taking total control of businesses and not the other way around. There are certain candidates running currently that appear to prefer that form of government.

 

What "liberty" are you speaking of?

 

WOW...so people that own businesses don't know right from wrong...interesting theory

 

Of course you would argue the dictionary is inadequate. If your argument fails because of the dictionary, change the definitions. Offer Newspeak! LOL

 

CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS don't know right from wrong, whether in business or in government.

Or, they know right from wrong, but rationalize effectively to convince themselves that what they do is OK.

 

Funny no one complained about liberty dying out when antifa started rioting and shutting down free speech some years ago.

No one complained about liberty dying when Obama made a sincere effort to strip men of their constitutional rights with his title IX letter.

No one complained about liberty dying when they tried to railroad Darren Wilson for defending himself and then rioting when the jury righteously found him not guilty

This film does look bad except that the guy also appears to be physically resisting and not so peaceful.

Seems you are selective about which liberties and whose liberties you care about

 

Here is a definition from Websters for fascism. Like Starjet, you may reject dictionary definitions to convince yourself you are correct.


"A philosophy or governmental system marked by stringent socioeconomic control, a strong central government usually headed by a dictator, and often a belligerently nationalistic policy."

I'm going with the dictionary instead of internet posters. Even before DJT took office this country is described by that definition.

 

It is in your definition "...stringent socioeconomic control..." In a fascist government, the government takes a booted heel to the economic system (as well as the social system), not owning but controlling our businesses in a very heavy-handed fashion. Not dissimilar to the lofty goals of certain politicians who are currently running for the highest position in our land. I personally prefer a less centralized, more freedom-oriented , more limited government as opposed to the all-powerful state presented by fascism.

 

fake news, we heard about her using private email for years, Trump's children using private email has been pretty silent though

though to be fair, the Trump admin does so many bad deeds, hard to keep up with them and report on them all without sounding like one is constantly attacking the President, so they omit a lot

 

It’s good, and acceptable, but would I substitute “absolute murderous, spirit crushing, life obliterating, control” over the concept “stringent.” “Stringent” is a concept you would use to describe the requirements to become a Green Beret or a Navy Seal, not to describe the brutality of concentration camps and gas showers.

Now here’s two definition that names the horror of both socialism and fascism—

Communism: The state owns all wealth and property, controls it, and forces you to work it for the state in the name of “social equality”. Venezuela, Cuba, and North Korea, come to mind.

Fascism: Wealth and property owned by private entities, but controlled and ruled by the state for the good of the nation. Mussolini’s Italy, Hitler’s Germany, and to a dangerous and disturbing degree, today’s European Union, Putin’s Russia, and Trump’s Presidency.


Ayn Rand: “Under fascism, citizens retain the responsibilities of owning property, without freedom to act and without any of the advantages of ownership. Under socialism, government officials acquire all the advantages of ownership, without any of the responsibilities, since they do not hold title to the property, but merely the right to use it—at least until the next purge. In either case, the government officials hold the economic, political and legal power of life or death over the citizens.” http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/fascism-nazism.html

Again, if you really are interested in morality and idealism, and not just a left wing stooge covering for the atrocities of Chavez and Maduro, well, you know where to meet me.

As to the thugs who were arrested, good riddance to stinking rubbish.

 

Much more accurate and real than Webster’s morally neutered version.

And if I might:

Communism, The state’s gun pointed at your head demanding you serve society

Fascism: The state’s gun pointed at your head demanding you serve the nation.

Capitalism: The state’s gun pointed at those who would steal your property, rob your person, rape your loved ones, or take your life.


In essence: The function of capitalism is to protect your right to live as you choose in the name of the best within you, your reason. The function of the other two is to enslave the productive and murder the deplorably undesirable and the recalcitrant resistive radical.