Like Pope Francis, Democrat Questions if Trump is a Christian

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  1. carlosofcali

    carlosofcali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Christians continue to call out the hypocrisy of Trump's claim to be a follower of Christ. And similar to pope Francis, Christians confront the evil of a man who willingly lies/ abuses women/ cheats and attacks Americans non-stop.

    Buttigieg is a Christian running for president in the Democratic party. Do you believe Trump is a Christian? I don't.

    "Buttigieg: Trump's actions make it hard to think he 'believes in God'
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...ions-make-it-hard-to-think-he-believes-in-god

    “I'm reluctant to comment on another person's faith," Buttigieg told USA Today. "But I would say it is hard to look at this president's actions and believe that they're the actions of somebody who believes in God."

    “I just don't understand how you can be as worshipful of your own self as he is and be prepared to humble yourself before God," Buttigieg continued. "I've never seen him humble himself before anyone. And the exaltation of yourself, especially a self that's about wealth and power, could not be more at odds with at least my understanding of the teachings of the Christian faith.”
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    He hasn't questioned the existence of dinosaurs, so he probably isn't a Northern Irish Unionist Christian!
     
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    Ha ha. It just seems a bit funny that a democrat would question if trump is a christian or not. When I think of a democrat, Sodom and Gomorrah immediately pops into consciousness. ha ha

    What politician doesn't have huge ego, with the accompanying selfishness that is intrinsic to the ego? Anyone who is a lover of power over others is the definition of selfishness.

    You will not find many, if any, low ego people in DC, that is for sure. Some are just skilled in deception as to appear differently.

    Trump has such low skills in deception, and is not an artful liar as most politicians are, at the federal level. But, he didn't spend his life in politics either. He still has not mastered the skill of speaking for 30 minutes, under questioning, while never answering a question directly in the process. Indeed, there is no telling what will come from his mouth, as his brain is far behind his mouth. So, it is much easier to see through trump, and to see the truth of what the man is. At least, if you are observant, you can get a good idea of what you are dealing with, while with your typical politician, they will not give it away. They are very good at the shuck and jive. And can present a false image, quite easily. ha ha
     
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    Buttigieg goes on by confronting a fellow Hoosier, the vice president.

    “The idea that God wants somebody like Mike Pence to be the cheerleader for a president largely known for his association with hush money to adult-film actresses seems to me to give God very little credit," Buttigieg said in a recent interview with Father Edward Beck, a Roman Catholic priest and on-air faith and religion commentator for CNN.
     
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    carlosofcali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Francis early on, questioned how a person like Trump could be Christian. Other religious leaders have also denounced the actions of Trump as contrary to the Gospel.

     
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    You must have forgot that Jaysus figure. Watch the film with Robert Powell to play catch up
     
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    Definitely not a Christian the only God Dirty Donald worships is his own graven image.
     
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    Pretty funny that the people who support infanticide, unnatural sexual relationships and imposition of those positions by force on the populace as a whole are questioning Trump's Christianity. Pelosi claims to be a catholic but supports her party's degeneration into normalization of killing born children.
     
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    It seems that the only Christians who support Trump are evangelical. Are they Christian?
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    Bleedin hell, I've time traveled back to the 1950s but my internet connection is still working! Weird
     
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    Didn't vote for Mother Theresa.
     
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    Maybe you haven't caught up with the science yet.
     
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    "a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud" Hitchens.

    You sure?
     
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    You forgot to post the scientific references. Happy, of course, for just the DOI!
     
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    Being decently schooled in christianity, as well as being familiar with other religions, thanks to a decent philosophy and religion dept where I took various courses, I just doubt there is anything that film would teach me, in regards to this issue. Anyways, I prefer books over film, when seriously delving into a subject. ha ha

    So, I doubt there is really anything to catch up on. Is there some brand new theology, that man has never thought up before, that I should learn about and thereby catch up on?
     
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    The trouble with American Christians is that they appreciate sarcasm in the same way as Fundamentalist Islam appreciates the book 'The Golden House'
     
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    Perhaps trump is a believer in the "prosperity gospel" And those who push that agenda today, like that dude Holstein from houston texas? I hear that preacher lives in a multimillion dollar mansion, as must have decided to get his mansion here, instead of in heaven, where jesus said there are many mansions? ha ha

    Personally, and seriously, I have no idea if trump is a christian or not. I cannot get inside his head/heart, and really would not, even if I could. He may have asked god to forgive all of his evil any lustful ways, and only he and god could tell us the truth of that.
     
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    Its easy to be Christian. Look at Blair. Killed million plus through a lie, but a couple of Hail Marys and all is good! Much easier than life.
     
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    Glad I am agnostic and not a card carrying member of any religion. Anyways, I figure if the christian god exists, he might appreciate my honesty when it comes to how I think in regards to his existence. I am open to his existence, but he needs to reveal his existence to me, if he wants me to believe in his existence. There are just too many very old religions, whose members believe in their god or gods, just as much as christians believe in theirs. They live and then die with those beliefs.

    For me the greatest argument for a creator is that I just cannot embrace the idea that this universe, life, and consciousness is a product of chance. But that does not drive me into accepting one religion's idea and image of what that creator is and its characteristics. So, I still do not know, but am open to the idea. Admit the possibility. But that is all.
     
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    If Buttigieg claims to be a Christian, there's no way he'll ever come close to winning the Democratic nomination.
     
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    Isn't that the problem? If that God existed he wouldn't care about anything but you skipping through the meadow. That's rather inconvenient for the fundamentalists. Folk need to question whether you should be stoned for that meadow fascination.

    If Trump said "LaVey's Satanism! He had a point. Vote for me; but if you don't, who gives a toss?"?. That's double question mark libertine beauty...
     
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    :laughing:

    Democrats who are Christian tend to follow the Gospel/ New Testament while Republicans prefer the Law/ Old Testament.
     
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    :laughing:

    I'm Christian even when most of my family members and all of my Gay friends will have nothing to do with the Church. My sense is that the message of Jesus is not necessarily a true story but rather contains 'truths'. "Do unto others . . . "
     
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    Far as I am concerned...if Trump says he is a Christian...
    ...he is a Christian.

    Christian is a descriptor...and it is self-applied. He may not meet the "Christian" standards of some other Christians (he may not meet the "Christian" standards of any other Christians...but that is the way that cookie crumbles.

    Lots of Christians in America not being particularly Christian anyway. I see more essential Christianity in my agnostic and atheistic friends than in many of my "Christian" friends.
     
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    Is Trump a Christian? Don't be ridiculous. Anyone with a modicum of familiarity with the teachings of Jesus would be offended to ask such a question. Unfortunately, most so called christians that follow Trump have shed any modicum of Christianity in favor of worshiping on the alter of an unprincipled libertine. Remember, Trump has never asked the Lord (or anyone else) for forgiveness because he has never sinned. I know, because he said so.

    Trump is anathema to anyone with any religious foundation be it Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, or even secular morality. Anyone that blindly follows this heretical excuse for a human being is either hopelessly naive of of similar mind. I hope that's clear enough.
     
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