Link Between Feminism And Obesity

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    When I was writing about undesirability of obesity, I was accused of being shallow and of thinking with my penis. In fact there are graver problems with obesity than that it is unsightly. Obesity is only a most visible sign of a much larger problem in society. It is overconsumption of resources – overconsumption to the point that it is no longer even good for people doing it. An obese person overconsumes food, in the same way as some others overconsume huge houses and Hummers.

    In some cases, it appears to be genetic and cannot be helped. However when obesity rates in America triple in three decades, then something must be going on to cause such a large demographic shift. What has been going on over the last three decades, that is still going on, that may have effect on the obesity of the population?

    I would say, most definitely, third-wave feminism. When we have people arguing that beauty is a myth designed to control women, many women would decide to forego beauty and let themselves go. When we have people arguing that sex is exploitation of women, many women will steer clear of everything sexual. When we have people arguing that love is transference or codependence or seeking external validation, then people will avoid love. With these beautiful joys of life denied – and things such as drinking and smoking likewise frowned upon - people will have no pleasure left in life besides eating; and then they will become obese.

    Now I know a number of people who'v battled weight problems, whom I hold in high esteem. However it works in nobody's best interests for majority of the population to become obese. It is unhealthy, it is expensive, and it is unethical – unethical because, once again, it is overconsumption.

    I do two hours of exercise a day, and I can say for certain that anyone can spare half an hour a day doing exercise. It increases your productivity, which means that the time expended upon it pays for itself. As for food, it is possible to enjoy it without overindulging. The French have much smaller dishes than do Americans. Yet their food is excellent.

    If you have genetic predisposition to obesity, then that should not be held against you. However most people do not have such a predisposition, and they become obese because of choices they make. The solution to obesity is a no-brainer: Exercise and eat right. Do not pick on people for being fat or deny these people a place in society. At the same time live a healthy lifestyle and hopefully influence others to live a healthy lifestyle as well.

    As for feminism, I see no reason at all why beauty should be seen to be working against women. Swedish women are beautiful, and Sweden has stronger feminism than does United States. If anything being allowed to be beautiful works in favor of women. It allows them to express themselves. And it allows them to be appreciated for work that they do on themselves and for being their best.

    The confusion that feminists have made is between a value and misuses of the value. Anything that has appeal to people can be used for wrong. That does not make it wrong in itself. That stupid teenagers attack girls for being unattractive, or that unscrupulous plastic surgeons keep already attractive women coming back for unnecessary plastic surgery treatments, does not damn beauty; it damns the misuses of beauty. For that matter money can be used for wrong things as well. It does not damn money. We see the same thing with other values, from intelligence to moral values. All these things can be used for wrong; it does not make them wrong in themselves.

    Now not all feminism is wrong, but the anti-beauty trend in feminism is completely wrong. It does not benefit women, it degrades them. It denies them a clear area of women's superiority to men. Women are more naturally beautiful than men. And when they are not allowed to be beautiful, they lose that superiority and are put in a race where they are either second or merely equal.

    So there are bigger problems with obesity than that it doesn't look good. It is overconsumption, and as such should be discouraged at a moral level. And yes, I am willing to address the sins of other overconsumers – such as Hummer-drivers – as well. As for feminism, it needs to correct its confusion. Beauty is not responsible for the wrongs that they see; abuses of beauty are. As for beauty, it is a wonderful thing, and women are ill-served by having their self-proclaimed leaders deny them their right to be beautiful.
     
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    When you find yourself in a hole, it's not terribly smart to ask for another shovel ...
     
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    I have been searching your post up and down to the link to the study that showed a link between feminist beliefs and obesity.
     
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    Seconded.
     
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    I’m not going down the feminist trail, but obesity is a major problem. I grew up in an affluent home where there was absolutely nothing to eat other than what could be found in the vegetable drawer of the refrigerator. The cupboards and pantry were absolutely stuffed with ingredients to make a meal but nothing hand to mouth. No ramen noodles, no microwave burritos, no soda, no chips. You wanted something to eat, you got tools out and built it.

    The next fat woman you see at the market, look in her cart. It’s a basket full of carbohydrates in easy to open wrappers.
     
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    I don’t have time to read everything you write because they’re just too long. But I did look at the end and I really have to laugh that “leaders deny the right to be beautiful...” how silly. I guess you just missed the point that they’re saying that women should not be judged solely by their beauty. Women’s looks are mocked all the time.
     
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    Next time you Look at a cart with carbs , wonder if that’s all they can afford. Pasta and rice are cheap. By the way men shop also
     
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    Most women are not Feminists.
     
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    Really?Look up the word feminist. (the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes) So sad that the women you know do not believe they are worthy of social political and economic equality. Most women support feminism. But people like Rush Limbaugh made the term equivalent to Nazis( fami nazis) this is what happens when people feel threatened .
     
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    I completely agree with women not being judged solely by their beauty. However I have encountered an attitude that attractive women can't also be strong or smart or spiritual, and having loved several such women I have adopted their concerns. Sure, don't judge women solely by their appearance; but also do not discriminate against women who are attractive.
     
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    That may be how it's defined in the dictionary but that's not what it means

    Typically feminism is lying about reality.

    I would say this is probably inaccurate feminism is more like gender-based communism.

    when you're asking for equal outcomes without equal commitment you can call that equality I call it communism.

    this is kind of funny back when I came out a lot of Catholic people in an attempt to avoid questioning their beliefs would try and psychoanalyze me the same what you're doing to Ritter.

    Congratulations you are as irrational as the Catholic Church.
     
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    Processed and convenience foods are far more expensive than the raw materials used to make them. Obviously.

    And FTR, we live on pasta and rice here, and we're all skinny. If you think it's those two items making fatsos fat, you're not paying attention. Italians and Chinese folk eat that stuff morning noon and night, and have much lower rates of obesity. What makes Americans fat isn't carbs, it's the insane amount of meat, butter, milk, oil, and cheese you people eat.
     
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    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.
     
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    Bull! You know the wrong women
     
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    That’s why insecure men are ignored. Yaaaaaawn.
     
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    Whom would you recommend that I know?
     
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    Meh, just hang out with some lesbians. Out of all those I know only a few are within some acceptable weight for their height.
     
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    Lesbians do have much higher rates of obesity. But so do homosexual men. This may have more to do with gay culture than feminism.
     
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    Yes typically feminists. That's the entirety of the "anti fat shaming" movement.

    Look, I think it's great when a big woman knows she's sexy. But that doesn't mean a doctor is a bigot if he tells her that she'd be healthier if she lost a few pounds
     
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    Heck, citizens do.
     
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    Feminism has not a damn thing to do with the increase obesity in our society, over eating does....
     
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    Feminism does have a lot to do with encouraging it with the poorly titled anti fat shaming movement.

    No I don't think people should be ashamed because they're overweight or obese but that's not what the movement is against. It's against doctors telling obese people that they would be healthier if they lost some weight.
     
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    obesity is often caused by eating too many carbs and eating them too often as it causes metabolic issues long term from having that much insulin in your blood all day long every day

    fruit juice and pop is a big one for people, many drink those like water all through the day

    every sip you raise insulin, and insulin blocks fat burning
     
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    Hardly so...
     

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