Little ice age refresher course

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Duh, the pictures come from the IPCC. Sorry you don't know much about this.
     
  2. livefree

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    I know enough to cite the original source for the scientific info I post. Why source a German language BLOG if the graphs are in a publically available report? Unless you're being deceitful!

    The second "picture", or graph, cannot be found in AR5.

    What can be found in the "Summary for Policy Makers" of the new IPCC report is this...

    "Continental-scale surface-temperature reconstructions show, with high confidence, multidecadal periods during the Medieval Climate Anomaly (year 950-1250) that were, in some regions, as warm as in the late 20th century. These regional warm periods did not occur as coherently across regions as the warming in the late 20th century (high confidence)."
     
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    Its worth noting that the MWP caused the collapse of two civilisations: the Tiwanaku and the Wari.
     
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    Yup! Doesn't mean it was GLOBAL though.

    If the WMP and the LIA were minor regional climate disruptions that caused the collapse of civilizations, what do you think the vastly larger and more powerful major global climate disruptions that human activities are creating now will do to current human civilizations?
     
  5. Hoosier8

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    First, you are evidently not aware the MWP was global and many papers outline that. Second, you have bought into the alarmism hook, line, and sinker.
     
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    First, you know nothing real about science, only the lies you have been fed. Second, you don't know what you are talking about.
     
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    Harsh words with no substance.
     
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    Yeah, that certainly is all you ever spew, all right, you poor confused anti-science reality denier.
     
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    Funny stuff again.
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet you can't show any. That's because it's fiction, a fraud pushed deliberately by some of your denier leaders.

    Most deniers try to back up their claims by quoting from the "CO2 Science" website, a group of rather shameless fraudsters. If you'd like to do that, I'd be overjoyed to point out what specific fraud you fell for.

    Of course, after those debunkings, you'll fall back on the "All the climate data is faked!" conspiracy. That's inevitable. It's just fun to make you retreat to your primary cult conspiracy theory.
     
  11. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Posted it before but the true believers are blind to anything that confronts their religion. I can't keep posting the same things over and over again for the witting blind.
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Translation: You spouted some "The MWP was global!" crap that you can't back up.

    You've learned the art of fraud well from your mentors Stalin, Alinksy, Goebbels and Trump. Those are the 4 patron saints of the denier fraud cult.
     
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    It is sad you have no curiosity.
     
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    That's hilarious. "The Art of Fraud" ?? It's somewhat to take anyone seriously after that.

    Here's some reading material - fully footnoted and referenced.

    Climate Change Reconsidered ll - Physical Science, pages 387 - 418. The MWP was global.
     
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    Something the true believers don't understand is that science is a continuing process. Those that believe the science is settled don't understand much about science.

    Here is a recent paper on the global LIA and MWP. Bet you can't understand the significance of the paper.

    Pacific Ocean Heat Content During the Past 10,000 Years

    http://science.sciencemag.org/content/342/6158/617

     
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    Also the heat capacity of the oceans is enormous compared to the atmosphere:

    "Remember, they/we are showing you the increase in atmospheric energy of the near zero thickness PANCAKE on the left side of Figure 1, the huge energy column on the right is not included in air temperature graphs of Fig 2 or on the left side of Fig 1. When you see the reconstructions of global temperature including ocean surface temps, the energy pancake on the left isn’t much thicker.

    If you were to transfer enough ocean energy directly to the atmosphere to create 4 degrees of atmospheric warming, how much would that change the average temperature of the Earth’s water?

    Would you believe – 0.001 Degrees C of ocean temp change? The left side pancake wouldn’t look any different in Fig 1! Hell, it wouldn’t change if we were in another oceanic current inspired ice age — think about that."

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/06/energy-content-the-heat-is-on-atmosphere-vs-ocean/

    http://rankexploits.com/musings/2010/comparing-global-land-temperature-reconstructions/
     
  17. mamooth

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    Your study showed one spot on the globe being warm in the MWP.

    In contrast, surveys of all the scientific literature covering the entire globe show it wasn't global. You're cherrypicking, I'm not. And in response, you're going to cherrypick even more. It's not like you have any other options.

    https://www.blogs.uni-mainz.de/fb09climatology/files/2012/03/Pages_2013_NatureGeo.pdf
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    There were no globally synchronous multi-decadal warm or cold intervals that define a worldwide Medieval Warm Period or Little Ice Age
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