LIVE: Fire ravages iconic Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris

Honestly, I don't know what to say to this insanity, so I guess I'll just call it out and leave it at that.

 

What's insane? That the French authorities would try to cover it up and implement preliminary public perception damage control?

We've already seen them try to brush stuff under the rug before. There's no problem if the public doesn't know about it.

 

According to the fire department, it started in the attic, not on the roof.

According to numerous reports, work was done for the day. Not "there were no construction workers up there that day."

The spire was mostly encased in lead, and the roof of the structure was metal over heavy beams. That is NOT to say that the interior spaces in the attic were also encased in lead. Of the thousands of available photos of the attic, NONE of them show any portion of the wood frame "encased in lead."

Thousands of massive conflagrations start as tiny mistakes year after year after year. It doesn't take a fairly big fire to catch a roof on fire. It can be an electrical short, a cigarette, a pail of linseed oil soaked rags, a welding spark, etc.,... I can only guess that you've never seen places like Notre Dame for yourself? Ever seen the Vecchio?

Ask me any question you want.

 

Those attic wood beams cannot be replaced today

can they?

 

They are taking donations.

 

They may have to. Even dry wood eventually rots

 

Uh & Duh too

They Don't Have Forest Sources To Create
Those Wood Beams Today.

Oak I imagine.

 

The interior space the attic was made out of around 17500 oak beams. Some of them hundreds of years old.
Dry as it could be. One probably could take a lighter and get them burning, faster than a piece of paper.
Its a major problem for all the hundreds or thousand years old churches and buildings that exist all over Europe.
That old timber burns like black powder.
The two fire conspiracy is naturally BS. Their were two fire alerts, by the detector system. Both were instantly investigated.
The first investigation found nothing ( they missed it ) and it was considered a false alarm. The second found a fire, 1 fire. But by than it was naturally to late.
Once you have open flame in such very old wooden structures, nothing can stop it..
One other point, the origin of the fire might have been 4 or 5 days old. If it was a construction spark, it could have smoldered, very small, penny size for days, just needing that little breeze.
Did that first alarm do the trick. Opening the door ?

My guess we will never know.
But I agree, it was not intentional, accident and very unlucky circumstances.

She will get rebuilt, no matter what. Many of the European cities, which got destroyed during WWII, were rebuilt and restored to their old glory. Burned out shells were turned into beautiful buildings of the past.
10 or 15 years, they will throw a huge party, worth to attend, for Notre Dame.

But the CTs will continue, for ever, like 911.

 

They can laminate wood and make timbers as long as you want ...put some in a church once....well ....nailed the roof to it.

 

They can replace them with steel too.
But, they can't get replacement timber was THE POINT!
Total restoration not possible.
At least as far as the timber goes.

 

They will be. There is all over Europe a large restoration industry for those type of buildings.
It will take about 3-4 years to come up with a plan, how to rebuilt Notre Dame. There has to be a assessment made how much the heat has influenced the stone of the vault and than the engineering starts.
Naturally there will be a discussion how to restore it, time period.
Pre Napoleon or past.
The roof had over 17000 thousand oak beams and has been well document, during several restorations.
They will attempt a historical restauration of the attic, as it has been documented.

I bet with in one year the first timbers will get milled, oak, old oak, from very old oak trees, from all over Europe.
In ten years or so when they might star with the roof, they will have all the timber they need.

 

Absolutely wrong. They will restore the building with the same materials as pre fire.
Even probably with the same tech, no nails, but wooden dowels.
No metal framing and modern stuff.
That's how they do it.
Same for the masonry of the vault, it will be the exact same stone and it will be cut and put into place as a 1000 years ago.
With modern tools naturally.
It will be a crafts man paradise.

 

Please link me when you see it happening.
Those old oak tree forests just are not "there" anymore.

 

Apparently, the entire structure was minutes away from total collapse as it burned.

 

You can not do that to a ancient building like that.
That's why it will take more than a decade for the rebuilt

They are, ever been to North Hessen, we have huge oak forests, with trees hundreds of years old.
That is just a very small part of the European oak forests.

I grew up in them.
Reihnhards Wald for example.
Has a nice little anecdote to it.
Earl Reihnhard of Hessen liked to gamble. He went broke on his last bet and put that part of his property on the table, with one condition, one more harvest.
It was agreed and he seeded oak.
hihihi.

There are huge oak forests all over Europe that are commercially used and harvested. They will make a killing

 

Pardon me for asking but who do mean by "they"....lets try to be politically correct....

 

Several points...

• Considering Muslim attacks in France, it's possible the fire was started by terrorists.

• Given how Muslim terrorists operate, an attack on Notre Dame would have likely been more spectacular and this suggests it probably wasn't started by terrorists.

• Given how Muslim terrorists operate, symbols like cathedrals are potential targets and France should make a greater effort to protect important locations.

• France should decide how it is going to deal with Muslims in its country, and in particular how it will deal with Wahhabist imams spewing hatred in the mosques.

What do you think?

 

The world hasn't run out of Oak trees.

 

The people who own the forest, private hand or state. Somebody owns those trees that will have to be harvested.
European oak, because of its slow growth, is rather expensive.
Needing 17,000 plus timbers, if it is rebuilt according to historic standards, which it will be, needs hundreds or thousand of those trees.
Those trees need 200 and more years to mature to be harvested for a project like that.
We are talking gold.
A friend of mine had a 200 years old oak blown down, he made 20k of that tree.

I am not political correct, never will, never been, the most dumbest word in the world, political correct.

 

Made the dumbest post record for April.

 

Probably not.

Not realistically. It would be incredibly expensive, and likely involve going into some protected national forests.

Huge pieces of solid oak do not exist like that anymore, very rare.

How many 300 year old European white oak trees are left?

To my knowledge there are so few of these big oak trees left that most of the individual trees are actually cataloged.

You could use 80 year old oak trees, but the cuts of wood would be much different, you'd have to compound different cuts of wood together to make the beam. There might be more oak available in America, but it might not necessarily be the same species or look quite the same.

European white oak is the superior oak species for construction and lasting a long time.

Oak, in the quantities and cuts needed as a building material, is still very expensive today.

 

Muslim terrorists want to target schools, synagogues, church, museum kindergarden, highschools and they already targeted a simple supermarket (kindergarden).
French police/army can't protect everything. When an attack against a highschool or a kindergarden will happen, because it will happen, people would say "the police should have protected that", but they can't simply being everywhere.

I think that a part of "french" population should be remigrated.

 

You could get rid of immigrant imams.

 

The workers were there all day and left only a hour earlier, so it seems logical their welding left a spark in the attic which caught fire.

 

How come they have been up front about terror attacks before, and now they'd lie.

Your options:

1. Investigation shows it was a terror attack.
2, Investigation shows is was an accident, but it was really a terror attack and they are just lying about it.

Dont terrorists typically target people (not buildings) in order to spread terror. Isn't that they whole idea?