London England - US embassy - US citizens lay low

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So is Britain deliberately targeting Muslims in other countries, and where has there been deliberate shooting of Muslims in the UK?
    There should be a reason for any 'random' targeting of Muslims anywhere. Has that question never been raised by anyone?
    What is the reason given for the British deliberately targeting Muslims? Do you just not like Muslims?
    No, that's not so. Quite often there are some very bad people in this world.
    Platitudes are no substitute for facts.
     
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    They shot some on London Bridge last I think.
    They don't **** around.

    What are the reasons for our wars in Muslim countries...well, they are many.
    Resources, humanity, expedience, alliance. Votes. Whatever. you've heard them all before.
    The ones we shoot here present a direct and immediate threat or at least are perceived to by our gunmen.


    It's a fact mate. Hitler thought he was one of the good guys too.
    All our enemies do.
    Nature of war.

    Had he have won, history would have painted us the bad guys and not he.
    Both sides in war believe they are in the right. Always.
    War is good guys vs good guys. Nature of the beast.


    For muslims, we had no muslim terrorism here until we went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    We had plenty of muslims, we had Londonistan, but no muslim terrorism. It's a new thing.

    That is one way in which multi-culturalism has weakened us. We can't just go to war with anyone we please anymore because we have more fifth columns amongst our own people now.

    Terrorism is a product of empire. Not religion.
    Goes with the turf.

    We aim to fight all our wars in other peoples country's not our own...and yet it always comes home.
     
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    \Yes i think they did too. https://www.google.ca/search?q=terr...1KTcAhWkCTQIHY0KALkQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=588
    That's probably why so many Brits are afraid to voice any criticism, and it also seems against the law to do so.
    Do you think Hitler was one of the 'good guys'?
    People can often rationalize evil and this is quite a good example.
    Actually it's not a new thing, going back to at least 1980. So Muslims believe that Britain is involved in a war against Muslims, not terrorists? What has Britain done to remind these people how very stupid they are?
    Definitely. Britain, like other western European nations, is having to adapt to Islam.
    Not religion? What is it most terrorists say when facing certain death? What were Saddam's final words?
    But today's Brits are not prepared to fight. Instead they will acquiesce to whatever demands are being made by Muslim leaders.
     
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    I don't know mate, do terrorists facing certain death say much different from anyone else facing certain death?


    Dream on mate. Brits are usually in more wars than you are.
    If by not willing to fight, you mean we aren't willing to fight each other just to please you, that is indeed correct. Find some other idiots, or come and do it yourself and see how far it gets you.


    Just as people can rationalise evil, they can also rationalise good.
    Rationalising killing another man is rationalising killing another man. Which is good and which is evil is no deeper a decision than which side you are on.
    All the rest... is rationalisation.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In fact I have a book of Famous Last words and no one, with the exception of Saddam Hussein, has said Allah Akbar.
    Oh I truly respect the British military but the civilians, or the politicians, are not what they once were. That former stiff upper lip now has a tremble to it.
     
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    But you think all libs think the same, how would you know? You're a libertarian.
    Vulgar? huh?
     
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    No, I think all Leftists share an impulse to destroy. I thought I already stated that liberals are not leftists.
     
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    Many Christians say "help me God" or sign a cross on their chest when going into a war or any nervous situation. That is no different to saying Allah akbar
     
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    When facing death, prayers to God are a very normal reaction.
    Religion is one of the ways we as humans come to terms with death.
    That's why we have funerals and it is also why we have army Chaplains.

    Look mate, nothing has changed.
    We didn't boldly go into WW2, we were dragged into it against our will.
    Our politicians didn't want it either. Chamberlain and his piece of paper.
    Churchill was not a popular politician at the time. The country ****ing hated him.
    As soon as the war was done they got rid of him. The first chance they got, he was gone.

    And much as most people volunteered, they had to be conscripted first.
    Once every one was going, people volunteered to stay with their friends.

    Your fantasy of what people used to be like is likely based on an ideal of history.
    It was not so.
     
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    In my country, the home of liberalism, the Liberals were indeed leftists.
    They were the opposition party to the Conservatives. Later they came to be replaced by the socialists. Labour.

    When we conquered 2/3 of the known world, it was under Liberal rule.

    Today our left is socialist in ideal rather than liberal but Blair took us into more wars than all the Conservative governments in my life time combined.
     
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    Yes, liberals are to the "left" of conservatives, but they don't cheer for the abolition of borders; they don't assume racism, homophobia and sexism is under every rock; they don't idolize Che Guevara; and they don't try to shout down conservative speakers.
     
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    By assosiated I mean ASSOSIATED. Unless you work for Trump or break UK law your fine. The most a Trump supporter is going to get if they follow the law are folks calling them idiots.
     
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    Who knows, but you, the difference between liberal and leftist. I doubt there's a standard definition.

    And the vulgar comment?
     
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    No doubt Christians and other religions will have a ceremony before their departure but only Muslims say God is Great before murdering others.

    To give some depth to this Allah Akbar ignorance, many people these Islamists are murdering probably think that God is great also.
     
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    Do you feel god is great?

    Would you be any less aggrieved by your murderer if he said "Fudge you r's hole".
    Or "Die motherfather"?
     
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    No one but Muslims say "God Is Great" before murdering other people. You must be aware of the difference.
    Certainly many people will make peace with God on their deathbed but to claim 'God is Great' immediately prior to murdering innocent people just doesn't happen among the Non Muslims. If you can give me examples of that ever happening I'd like to hear it.
    That's not so. Britain wasn't under attack but declared war when Hitler invaded Poland.
    Nobody wants war but Churchill recognized the inevitable, Chamberlain later became a valued member of Churchill's cabinet. The sad fact is that Britain now has more Chamberlains than they do Churchills.
    He was an immensely popular leader during the war.
    That's when they turned towards Serious Socialism, and it's been a downward spiral ever since.
    There was conscription when war appeared inevitable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army_during_the_Second_World_War
     
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    Socialism in this country pre-dates WW2.

    In WW2 itself, despite fighting socialists, we adopted it in all but name. State nationalised industry and distribution.
    Command economy. Rationing. State control of basically everything.

    It isn't after the war this happened. It was during.

    It is often argued that the levelling of social class in the trenches of WW1 is the reason socialism took off here right after.



    No mate Churchill was not immensely popular in the war.
    He was hated.
    He is the guy that got Britain into someone else's war, a war which for the first 4 years we were consistently losing.

    This is the anecdote my father gave to me.
    During the Blitz Churchill is walking past a bombed out house in London when he happened upon the lady who used to live there.

    Stoically and rousingly he declared "we shall endure".
    To which she replied, "it's not your bloody house is it?".
    Churchill.


    He led a coalition government. He couldn't get a majority behind him.


    We don't like politicians here. They aren't popular.
    And a guy that gets your home blown up and your son dead, and you working extra hours every day for free with **** all food in the shops?
    Not well loved.
     
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    Yes, in dribs and drabs there were soccial changes but it never went full tilt until 1945.

    "To widespread surprise, the Labour Party led by wartime Deputy Prime Minister Clement Attlee won a landslide victory over popular war leader Winston Churchill at the 1945 general election, and implemented their social democratic programme. They established the NHS, nationalised some industries (for example, coal mining), and created a welfare state".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_socialist_movement_in_the_United_Kingdom
    https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/how-churchill-led-britain-to-victory-in-the-second-world-war
     
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    I was taught this by those who were there at the time.
    Taught it the way I have explained it to you.

    The oral tradition.
    History passed on.
     
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    I respect your argument, and although we disagree on this issue, and likely others, it has not become overly insulting or personal. Cheers.
     
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    Always a pleasure Fred.
     
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    No, Christians say something like "help me God" and then begin murdering others which is much worse as it implicates God into the murder.

    Or "Some Christians sign themselves to seek God's blessing before or during an event with uncertain outcome." hence requesting the blessing of God immediately before murdering others.

    So again, tell me what is worse just before murdering other- saying "God is great" or asking for God's blessing or God's help?
     
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    I'd need some examples of your theory first.
     
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    Are you denying that soldiers/airmen in the moments before combat do not 'communicate' with God?
     

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