London is Now More Violent Than New York City

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well 30 years ago, no one could have imagined this.

    Criminal justice experts insisted rising crime in the UK, and particularly London, was more to do with the way the city was policed and blamed the reduction in neighbourhood patrols across the capital.

    While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

    London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.

    The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces. Mm-hmm, yeah, that's convincing. :roll:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/20/london-now-dangerous-new-york-crime-stats-suggest/


    I remember in the 90s, the pride Londoners had that their Bobbies didn't carry guns, only ever using their nightsticks when absolutely necessary, which was a seldom occurrence.
    Well looks like things have changed quite a bit since then.
     
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  2. The Rhetoric of Life

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    Hmmm...

    I'm not denying this.

    Both amazing cities though.
     
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    At least we're no where near as bad as Detroit...
    I think maybe Baghdad can say it's more violent than Detroit, but IDK, I'm just guessing; still is pretty bad in Detroit though.
     
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    If London was to be compared to an American city, London'd be a mixture of Washington D.C, New York City and Los Angeles.
    • Washington D.C because London's the capital and has what we call Parliament based in London and also The Ministry of Defence, HM Revenue Customs (UK's IRS) along White Hall and MI5 and MI6 etc... Whenever I've gone to Amsterdam was by road from the MI6 building in Vauxhall by a chartered party bus. - and countless over government buildings in London City of Westminster and Croydon etc... (Also, Buckingham Palace is here).
    • New York City because of The City of London a.k.a The City is what America might call Wall Street. That's in the same city, as well as all the Theatre, like The West End is what America might call Broadway.
    • Los Angeles, because Croydon seems to have Kevin Bacon and a bunch of Hollywood movies shot in Croydon; Los Angeles as well for James Bond/Pinewood and all of that; like in this 24/7 city, after a night at a night club letting down your hair after a week of work, you come out at 4 am to find out they've closed some road because they're filming James Bond and all the busses (including your one) is on diversion... - Plus like Los Angeles, London is made up of other cities within London like City of Westminster and The City, or something like City of Compton, West Hollywood but still all London.
    But all that aside, why I love London; it's because it's where I'm from, it's because that's what I know, and call home; and I love Soho like I love The Jimi Hendrix Experience coming from here etc...
    You might find yours truly a mile up the street from Parliament Square by Tottenham Court Road in Soho either on Greek Street or most likely, in near by Denmark Street because we have the best guitars in Britain and it's just where I call home; my part of town in this city.
    Pretty much from there to Croydon;
     
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    There has always been way more burglaries in the UK than in America.
    Americans have guns in their homes and the legal right to shoot anyone on their property.

    American burglars suffer from natural selection.
     
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    But they both have a way to go...

    ... to match Chicago or Detroit.
     
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    And another weak 'look how awful Europe is' thread. Some people seem to have a fetish for this.
    I'm surprised the OP didn't link this topic to omnipresent explanations like current mass migration, muslims, Islam, and blah.
    Instead the explanation is the OP's link is questioned. Yes, very convincing. Your pattern is very obvious and getting boring real quick.
    So, there's more crime in London than in NY right now. And?
     
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    The dynamic cause me some worries.

    The american always had a rather violent culture. Your history explain that, the conquest of the west, the indenpendance, the fact you had huge territories with no police.

    There were massive riots in 2005 in France, I wouldn't be surprized that instead of riots, a civil war could happen one day in western Europe.
     
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    We're fine in London, and I think Croydon's been riot free since 2011 and my friend who's shop got looted on London Road 'RockBottom Music' during that riot; 'Just say Rob sent ya, or Robert, or the guy who plays a lot of Guns N' Roses and has Gibson Les Pauls and other nice guitars who shops there, the owner Karl'd know me if you said Robert sent you or Rob as he likes to call me.' RockBottom Music were out of business probably for a year after they got hit but thankfully came back with a vengeance, better shutters, etc etc, this Pawn Shop that bought and sold a lot of electronics got hit in the riots around the corner here that used to be known as BlackBusters because they opened up in the old Blockbuster Video and, they were waiting around two years for the insurance to pay for all the damages and thefts.
    It was particularly annoying when feuds used it as an excuse to feud knowing that the police were too busy to come 'with sirens and helicopters everywhere' - that was annoying, and the feeling of 'I'm not going out' since it came as far as the bottom of my road, and the constant 24/7 helicopters like 3 of them, day and night day and night, accounted for a little loss of sleep I remember.
    Still felt safer in London than I did in Amsterdam in 2016 after the Paris attacks though.
    Never really feared for my life here but am the ever vigilant Londoner...
    I start to get scared if the Underground or Tube (as it's otherwise called); if the train's there for more than 5 minutes at Victoria or something (but you'd expect that in Brixton because that's where the line starts, so that's fine there), but if at Victoria say, and the train's just there not going any where; that does start to worry me, but other than that, given everything that's happened in London since then, I still feel safer here than I did on that 2016 weekend to Amsterdam I did.
    Felt like a sitting duck in Amsterdam if anything decided to break out, but cool, fun, interesting and thankfully happy and positive city.
     
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    Do you have a point other than celebrating crime as long as it happens somewhere else? Did you even read the article you linked? It strongly suggested the difference was a reduction in neighbourhood policing in London while it was increased in New York (something plenty of people here have been complaining about), the very opposite of any implication that could be taken from your vague comments.
     
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    All systems progressively (ha!) deteriorate under long term leftist influence or rule. Everything. This therefore is absolutely no surprise.
     
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    Hilarious. Reminds me of that "dark white" sketch. They'll say anything to avoid upsetting their pets. ​
     
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    That's what happens to de-industrialized america. That ain't the only place, at all. The Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class no longer requires the numbers of workers it once did to generate their profits. That's why they've moved into corporate for profit prisons with convict labor leasing which is legalized slavery.
     
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    yeah....why let facts get in the way of a good story.....
     
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    The UK has had right wing government since 1979.
     
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    Which is a good thing until Labour came in with Benefits Culture making it at one point in recent history, more beneficiary to say you're looking for work than to find work.
    If it wasn't for Thatcher we'd still have out dated coal and UK would be in the single currency.
    You speak not of Reagan and Thatcher championing free trade.
     
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    You've been watching too much Benefits Street again haven't you? Those without the poverty porn obsession will accept the obvious: we've had Thatcherism since 1979. Not surprisingly, issues such as income inequality have led to various social ills...
     
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    London has become a tower of Babel. So, no surprise there with the statistics.
     
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    No, I was raised by Labour loving socialists who mis-taught the value of claiming job seekers at the age when the state stopped paying my parents for being parents.
    They don't own their home.
    They live like royalty and haven't done a hard day's work in their lives.

    My father used to knock around with Ken Livingstone and Corbyn back in the 70's and 80's because my father pretty much runs in political circles.
     
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    Don't worry, I'm sure your "acid control laws" will right the ship.
     
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    They must be so proud of you!
     
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    Is it in your blood to disrupt things, like this thread, like this country, why won't Labour take the hint that it's not all about Labour or Tory.
     
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    In America, Manhattan reminded me of my native London, which was a surprise, not even Center City in Philadelphia did that, so upon going to NYC, I was treated to what I could describe as being back in London for the day; but it wasn't, it was Manhattan.
     
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    I haven't mentioned Labour or Tory. That would be you. I've mentioned how we've had right wing regime since 1979.
     
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