London Terrorist a Soldier

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  1. Blackbeard

    Blackbeard Active Member

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    We know the Fort Hood Shooter was in contact with a Cleric in Yemen. The Boston Bomber older Tsarnaev brother had been abroad...this article speaks to a determined effort rather than a lone wolf scenario we keep getting told is the explanation. When will America and the West wake up, these are not lone wolf attacks. There is a coordinated recruitment efforts to go after potential murderers, the end of this article speaks to the digital contacts involved in recent attacks. There is a concerted ISIS effort to recruit those who would attack the West, this group as much a security risk as al-Qaeda ever was.

    An Islamic State claim of responsibility doesn’t prove that the group had direct ties to the attacker. However, authorities have found that terrorists had digital ties, or were at least inspired by the Islamic State, in a number of cases. Islamic State operatives have also orchestrated a series of plots in the West.

    For example, the Islamic State described the May 2015 shooters in Garland, Tex. and the couple who assaulted a holiday party in San Bernardino, Calif. as the group’s “soldiers.” The San Bernardino terrorists were also labeled “supporters.”

    The shooters in Garland, Tex. reportedly communicated with Junaid Hussain, a key Islamic State operative who was killed in an American airstrike last year. And the husband and wife jihadists responsible for the massacre in San Bernardino pledged their allegiance to Abu Bakr al Baghdadi on Facebook prior to their demise.

    The team of jihadists that carried out the Nov. 2015 assault in Paris was hailed as “a group of believers from the soldiers of the Caliphate.” In that case, the jihadists were directly dispatched by the Islamic State’s mother organization in Syria. The Paris attacks were different from the other, small-scale attacks claimed by the Islamic State and carried out by individuals in Europe.

    Omar Mateen, who repeatedly pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr al Baghdadi the night of his shooting at an LGBT nightclub in Orlando, Fla. in June, was described as a “fighter” for the organization.

    Amaq said Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, who drove a truck into a crowd celebrating Bastille Day in Nice, France, was “a soldier of the Islamic State.” The same wording was also used to label a young slasher in Würzburg, Germany.

    After the Nice, Würzburg, Ansbach (Germany) and Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray (Normandy, France) attacks, Amaq also emphasized that the men responsible had acted “in response to calls to target countries belonging to the crusader coalition.”

    And after the operations in Würzburg, Ansbach, Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray and Balashikha (Russia), Amaq disseminated videos of the terrorists swearing allegiance to Baghdadi. The videos were recorded beforehand, demonstrating that the jihadists had at least some digital ties to the Islamic State’s operations.

    Indeed, European officials discovered that a series of plots have been “remote-controlled” by the Islamic State’s digital operatives. American authorities have also found that the so-called caliphate’s men had virtual connections to a number of recruits who were intercepted before they could carry out their murderous acts.

    http://www.longwarjournal.org/archi...soldier-of-the-islamic-state-group-claims.php
     
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  2. see you next tuesday

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    Wow mate, you are really easily lead and frightened aren't you!

    He wasn't a "soldier"....he was a d##k head.

    He was one man with a few knives and he killed a few people. There are no reports or suggestions of any connection to any "global terror group"

    If you really get your facts from a website that has a navigation button called "Threat Matrix" then i that says a lot.

    When were you last in the UK?
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you’re misunderstanding (or misrepresenting) the term “lone wolf” in this context. It doesn’t necessarily mean a terrorist has zero contact with anyone else involved in the same cause or even that they weren’t guided or instructed by those people. The key point is that there is no one else directly involved in the planning or equipping of their specific attack (hence why such attacks tend to involve vehicles and knives rather than bombs and guns).

    Frankly, it doesn’t make any difference to the victims of the attacks (though lone wolf attacks will generally have less impact than large and well organised group attacks) but it is significant to the security forces in identifying and preventing prospective attacks in the future. In general it will make it more difficult for them which will be why terrorist groups have moved to more of this inspiring and corrupting vulnerable individuals already living in the target area rather than trying to get trained committed terrorists in to carry out an attack.
     
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    Joe, the fact that the term lone wolf has been both misrepresented and misunderstood is my primary point of fact. The media....uses this word, political spokespersons, political analysts use this term. And it's wrong to use it concerning these attacks......that by the way, Joe.......concerning the two examples I gave....specifically.....did use a bomb and a gun. Wake up.

    I never made a statement concerning the difference it makes to the victims. There is something else than lone wolves who are enraged regarding these attacks globally. This is a concerted effort. A systematic recruitment effort, targeting individuals like this and worse. My claim is the term is misunderstood and you misrepresent my point. There is also a concerted effort in my opinion, to tuck these attacks under carpets, to sweep away connected dots and pretend these are lone wolf attacks rather than a terrorist attack by an organized and deadly terror group.
     
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    BB, i would like your post.....but its incredibly disturbing. Thank you for telling it like it is
     
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    I used two examples that didn't include knives or a few people. Carry on with blinders at your own peril and naivety. And I've not been to England in some time, lived in Wimbledon for a year.

    I don't remember so many sheep then, what happened?
     
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    What? 5 lines of text is a lot to say? Really?

    The content i replied to was a lot longer. I'm not sure 5 lines of text could ever be described as "having a lot to say"?
     
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    see you next tuesday Active Member

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    I see, you lived in one location in the UK for one year and now you know us back to front!

    I lived in australia for 2 years, doesn't mean i can speak for australia :0)
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't get me wrong, the term is misused by others too - for example I don't think applying it to attacks with more than one active terrorist is correct by definition. That doesn't mean there can't be flaws in your reasoning for challenging it's use in, by your definition, any situation at all.

    The distinction of using guns is more relevant here in the UK/Europe than the US, where they're much more easily available to a random individual operating alone. It's a clear distinction for some of the recent attacks on this side of the pond.

    No, there was no reference to them at all which was my reason for bringing them up. Getting too tied up in technical definitions can be a distraction from what really matter in all this, especially in casual discussion that we're having rather than any actual anti-terrorism work (which I think needs an element of cold distance).

    This brings us back to my point. A valid definition of an attacker as a "lone wolf" doesn't deny a concentrated effort to recruit and indoctrinate people by organised terrorists - it's evidence of that. I'm not convinced there are many people with the intention to minimise these attacks in the manner you describe but that any efforts to accurately categorise and understand terrorism is so often dismissed out of hand as that because people read more in to a categorisation of "lone wolf" than is typically intended.

    It's a relevant distinction because it significantly influences they type of attacks that are likely and the kind of people who are likely to commit them and thus the kind of people who are at risk of being drawn in to it so need turning in a different direction, as much to protect them as the rest of us.
     
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    I never even came close to claiming I know you back to front. I was speaking to your opinion, not your country that I've great admiration and respect for. Your opinion on this matter however, I cannot abide. ISIS inspired attacks we must understand aren't lone wolf "****heads" as you assert, there is something far more sinister going on.

    Doesn't matter where you live, you're wrong here. Do you understand?
     
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    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Well written facts!
    I really hope that some special people here get these facts n their mind instead blabbering general hate and BS around!

    And more ...
    Any fast BS claims about the terrorist last week are now silenced, eh?
    No evil refugee ... not an evil Muslim immigrant who did, but who was he again and what happened again? The real threat is clearly shown with it!
     

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