Looks like the standard of living in Germany is going down...

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can't say this wasn't expected.
     
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    What did you not expect? The situation is the same in the USA and all other capitalistic nations too: The rich get more rich and the poor more poor.

     
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    Might be the case in your capitalistic nation mate.
    In my country the poor get rich too.
     
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    What is your country?

     
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    Britain.
     
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    A good joke. What you see in Germany in this videos is a result of Darwinism and Thatcherism. Not a long time ago a prosecutor here in Germany wasted his time to accuse someone who collected bottles. He argued it's the private estate of the company, which collects bottles for the recycling, if someone steals bottles with deposit out of a container of waste glass. A loss of less than a cent. No joke. People lost their job in Germany because they "stole" electricity for their mobile phone battery. ...

     
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    If you say so.

    Under Thatcher I went from the smallest house in the village to the largest house in the village.
    Poor to rich.

    The jokes on you.

    All my possessions used to come from the refuse tip. Now, I buy them from Amazon.
     
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    I never bought anything from Amazon. I think Amazon is a criminal organization. It's unbelievable, how they try to press down their workers.

    Whatever. Be happy, rich man. Perhaps you can do something what makes sense with your money. I do not see a big sense in a situation where some few hundred men in the world own more than 50% of everything and are on the way to own soon more than 100%. :lol:

    By the way: What about the insects in Britain? We lost many. I don't know how many and why.

     
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    Probably why you are getting poorer then. No motivation to succeed.

    Amazon work is pretty easy. I've just done 6 months of the same thing for one of their rivals. A lot of crossover staff for my job.
    I don't much like the management culture either, but it's a damn sight better than going back to the rubbish tip to pick refuse.

    If you think 100 people own half the world, you don't have the correct attitude to succeed. Enjoy your life as a victim of society.
     
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    Money is for me an unimportant theme.

    I'm not interested in Amazon.

    Rivals?

    372 .. or was it 1372? ... whatever ...

    Succeed? With what?

    Victim of society?

     
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    Yes, mate. A Rival company.
    You get the idea. Big online shop. Warehouse work.

    Since money is unimportant to you, you clearly have nothing to worry about in life. Which makes you rich in my eyes.
    I'll leave you to your conspiracies.
     
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    So you was not interested in our own questions - and you don't like to give me an information about the situation of the insects in Britain. I heard we lost about up to 80% of all insects.

     
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    Insects?
    Sorry not interested.
     
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    Money is only an illusion - the death of 80% of all insects is a real catastrophe.
     
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    Germany is on the road to lose manufacturing.
     
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    Could be more worse - we could lose world war 2.

     
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    Now that made me laugh.
     
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    British social divides make Dickensian times look enlightened. We can't just blame Thatcher mind you. It would be spiffing if was a simple blip. A case of 'whoops, at least we've got the song Ghost Town from the folly'. The elite have maintained the stupidity since.
     
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    I fail to see that these vids show what the OP claims. I’m also very sure that the OP didn’t expect any of this. This would require some half-way detailed knowledge concerning the German job market and as far as I know the OP’s threads, it’s all due to (Mulsim) immigration anyway.
    They show individual cases and the typical argument being made by some is usually that this is an accurate representation of the whole thing. No, it isn’t. It’s this one case. In order to really determine whether living standard in Germany is going down or not you need statistics & collected data that are representative, not a clip of one guy collecting bottles in Hamburg.

    Second video talks about a craftsman from east Germany who’s now self-employed. The job market in the east has always been worse than in the former west on the whole. The two music teachers who have freelance contracts and can’t get a full contract with full benefits are a special case as music teachers very rarely have full contracts anyway and as an occupational group are not an accurate representation of the job market. I know several people who do exactly that for a living and am half-way familiar with their situation. The image created is the same as in the first vid: they take two individual examples and turn it into a general representation. It doesn’t work that way.

    Since 2003, there has been a slowly growing number of people who work full-time and cannot make ends meet, this phenomenon was pretty much unknown before 2003. The reform brought a slow Americanization of the job market where you also see a growing number of people working more than one job in order to get by and also a widening gap between rich and poor in general.
    The problem lies in the lower paid job sector. Germany used to be a high-wage country with highly paid jobs in almost every sector, that has changed. If you were rather unskilled or worked in a job that didn’t require years of training, you still could easily get by, that has also changed. In general, there are fewer of these jobs, they pay less, and people can get fired quicker due to the reform of 2003. Skilled jobs are still paid well, teachers in Germany, for instance, are among the best paid in the world and if you have a uni degree, unemployment is a rare thing.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-...ast-paid-teachers-in-the-world_b_8970800.html

    Some data regarding living standard, much more meaningful and informative than these vids.
    http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/germany/

    A comparison of living standards in European countries.
    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/04/which-european-country-has-the-highest-standard-of-living

    Ranking of the top cities in the world regarding living standard, interesting: three German cities in the top ten.
    https://mobilityexchange.mercer.com/Insights/quality-of-living-rankings

    "German per capita standard of living highest in Europe; Ireland below EU average" (Dec 2014)
    http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1028547.shtml
     
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    ¿social divides? ... a.gh. "soziale Gräben" got it.

    Charles Dickens? A TV series ? ...

    We call it "Raubtierkapitalismus" = predatory capitalism. The famous word in this context is "killer instinct".

    spiffing = "knorke", "todschick"

    Blip? - ah - radar blip

    Geisterstadt des Aberwitzes?

    Hmm - what you say has not a lot to do with the situation in Germany. Germany is for example in the moment under fire of international speculators in real estate. The housing costs explode. Most Germans are renter. They are at the wrong end of the social Darwinian food chain. It's by the way astonishing how very poor are the most Germans. I remember in this context an old Lady in Berlin, who had the problem either to eat or to warm up her home. Germany is a rich state with poor citizens. But history and politics never were easy in Germany.

     
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    Only by playing the Lottery though.
     
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    @Caligula great post mate.

    UK is the same in many ways, part time work is easy to find, even full time work is easy to find, but work that pays the bills, not so easy to find,

    Working class jobs in particular have come under a lot of pressure since we joined the EU. The culture now is hire and fire. Wages are suppressed. Night shift work pays little more than day shift etc.
    Day labour.

    Self employed is the normal and so is having multiple jobs. But then, perhaps this always was normal.

    If you want to teach there are jobs for you. I don't really feel that outside of a few very limited professions however that a university degree is going to get you a job here.
     
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    If you seek to be poor, be stupid.

    The odds on the lottery are worse than you can get at the booky.
    The odds that you become a millionaire by hard work, smart planning, financial discipline and good fortune are quite a lot better than if you fritter your money away.
     
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    Yes, because the hourly rates of indigenous craftsmen have been undercut by immigrants who are willing to work for much lower ones.
     
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    Nobody who works PAYE ever got rich.
     

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