Looks like the U.K. will never be able to have freedom of gun ownership now

Yep, the U.K. has brought in such a large population from the Middle East, they're having to take away all sorts of freedoms now to keep everyone safe.

I know one artist now who says he can't even buy nitric acid to etch his copper plates for engraving. He used to just buy it at the local art supply but now he says they made it a serious crime for someone to even own it unless they apply for some special permit that takes a lot of money and paperwork.

And there's serious restrictions on fireworks because they're afraid the muslims could make a bomb out of them. So no more buying real fireworks in the U.K. Guess that's just part of the price of taking in all these refugees. It's like they're turning their whole society into a giant prison because they can't trust any of their citizens. Any one could be a potential terrorist mass serial killer.

Seems like there's a serious terrorist attack every month or so.

Well this is nothing new, it's been happening in the Middle East since forever. (The violent parts of the Middle East where all the refugees are fleeing from)

A lot of these Western European countries which used to be some of the freest liberal places on the planet are turning into police states. They've had to arm the police in the major cities with military-style assault weapons and use armored police vehicles, which are not an uncommon sight now. Because you never know when they might be needed.

Well what I'm getting at is if they're taking away art supply chemicals and fireworks, how can there be any hope of ever having gun rights?

Even a kitchen knife has been turned into a criminal offense if someone in the city is walking on the street and happens to have one in a backpack. That sounds like a prison to me.
(and even with "knife control" they are still having random knife attack issues; all the more to buttress the metaphor, the streets are like a prison yard)

And those "petrol bombs" — basically just regular car fuel. Is that next? Are people going to be forced to have to give up internal combustion vehicles for the protection and safety of the public good? Because the dangerous people can run you over a hurl burning fuel at you.

The new normal.

Don't worry, there's a paramilitary style police presence to protect you.

 

Well, they tried the same in the North of Ireland, including forced entry raids on any tip. Didn't like your neighbor, call this number. Yet, the flow of guns didn't stop, but increased, guns were manufactured, and instead of home made explosives semetex was shipped in with the Hashish and cigarettes and life.... and death went on.

 

And all the guns floating around in the Middle East and the violence (entirely the fault of the guns, of course) haven't managed to cull their numbers, and their growing populations are still overflowering into other countries.

Some of the Ikea stores are putting their kitchenware behind locked clear plastic displays after the knife attack two years ago.

I know some of you are Texan-style pro-gun freedom types but you could never have that type of quaint small town type gun shop in London. They'd smash the glass, kill the owner, and turn the neighborhood into a bloodbath. Imagine a pack of semi-civilized savages with a totalitarian fanatical creed.

Not saying all the individuals are terrible of course, but when you have so many bad apples in the barrel the society can't function the same anymore. I feel sorry for them all, trying to run away from the violence and the terrible world they live in, but it kind of reminds of a contagious plague epidemic zone, everyone fleeing into surrounding areas not wanting to catch the disease and die, but they end up carrying the disease spreading it to other areas.

 

They deserve everything they get. When the politicians and the elite don't trust the average citizen to have the same weapons the civilian police have, you have an illegitimate government and a cowardly society. the Jihadists are going to run rampant there and they only have themselves to blame. Sadly those most likely to be harmed are NOT the scumbags who imposed those stupid disarmament laws

 

I imagine we'll be seeing a lot more gated communities in London. And personal security guards for rich and important of course. You know, so they don't have to handle the dirty dangerous gun themselves.

 

one of the great ironies of gun banner thinking is how they are so dependent on armed men with guns to protect them or do their dirty work

 

Well not everyone in society can afford such a luxury of course
(or living in safe civilized low-crime neighborhoods).

 

most gun banners tend to live in areas where there aren't robberies and rapes constantly

 

Yep, rather than the community rising as in Northfield Minnesota 1872, they represent the community of High Noon....

 

Puts feet up on chair gets out popcorn and awaits for the arrival of the Brits on this thread

 

In this madhouse without walls known as the UK it'll soon be the case where only law-abiding citizens don't have firearms - only the criminal fraternity and terrorists will. Great, isn't it!

 

You WANT another Dunblane? You WANT to have to do what many on these threads boast of doing? Get up every morning and strap on a gun - keep that gun with you no matter what you are doing during the day then go to sleep with it within reach while all the time hoping against hope that someone will not take you unawares or that someone's child does not harm themselves with your weapon

 

If in the scenario your child was being abducted, and as a passer-by with a sidearm I shot the kidnapper, I'll bet you wouldn't complain to the police about it. Oh, and how many 'Dunblane's have there been over the last 45-50 years?

 

United Kingdom don't need any advice on how to deal with murders from a country with four much murders (UK = 1,2 murder per 100 000 inhabitant, USA 4,2).

Furthermore, you seems to forget that if the regular good subject of her majesty Queen Elizabeth 2 could have gun, it could be the same for some "paper" british who would directly buy a gun to kill people and get their 72 virgins !

 

Seems to be the theme in France .... resuming soon

 

Ah... for the good old days, eh... the IRA and the rest of the NI analphabet soup...

 

I am an exPat....from NI... proud advocate for the 2A here.

 

People dreaming of being the great hero

It is a VERY unlikely scenario - as America has found what is far far far more likely is that there are drive by shootings, increase in gang related violence increase in criminal activity involving guns, more police deaths etc etc

10,000 murders a year are only the tip of the iceberg the numbers for the firearm INJURY rate are simply unbelievable
Over 200,000 injuries per year
http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

 

Yeah. The Manchester bombing was a classic example. If he weren't already dead, the IRA would probably have torched the guy themselves. Certainly they would have distanced themselves from it. Intentionally targeting school girls? No way the IRA would do that.

ISIS boasts about it.

 

Waiting for the U.K. To request Republican volunteers.... enemy of my enemy....

 

Its not the British way. There are already some gated communities but by and large these are merely status symbols of the nouveau riche rather than truly defensive measures. They don't have private security like in the USA.

The wealthiest parts of London are mostly Arab owned, anyway, with the remainder owned by Russians. Ex-pat American bankers rent them.

Brits are hugely proud of their un-armed police, seeing it as something distinctive and brave. Yes, that's the thing. It is British to be unfazed and cool in the face of a threat. To manage the situation with aplomb and candour, but be in a position to shoot your way out if you must.

 

Corbyn could have petitioned for a minority govt with Sinn Fein, if they would take their seats...

 

Nope... time for UI referendum... even the West Brits jumping ship.... this year I predict

 

Not with DUP sharing power in coalition...

 

Arlene is closet SF don't you know.... she wins more votes than Gerry...Lol
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-after-general-election-results-35809433.html
SF just has to sit back and watch the dogs eat each other...on both sides of the border.