Lower standards to allow white men into special forces

They serve two different purposes. The rangers are an infantry force (granted special SOF missions) while SF has a more intricate purpose.

 

Did I say they were the same? Read my post again and get back to me. And do get were you are coming from I am merely saying as far a civilians are concerned the are not regular line troops, they do sometimes call they special forces when they should be calling them special operations. And I do get how special forces are used I did country briefings for the teams when they deployed. I was in a MID for a special forces unit when I was in the service.

 

I read your post, and my response was correct. The SOF community has a lot of elements including support, infantry, SF, among others.

The Rangers are not SF though most SF are/were Rangers (Army). Many Ranger deployments (especially now adays) are strictly heavy infantry missions.

High value targets are a different story which is when you lump in Rangers and SF.

Speaking of Rangers, I think I'll be on orders for ABN and RASP/RS if I get my URR. I hope I don't, honestly. I would have loved being in the RR 9 years ago...but now I'm not excited about losing 30 lbs and eating one meal a day for over a month.

Oh well..."Needs of the Army".

Sorry for the late reply...When it's hot, we're training.

 

That is just plain dumb, obviously you would not qualify. Physical strength is not a factor you deem so important, if that were the case, we would have all eastern Europeans. Intelligence, leadership abilities. weapons knowledge, defence skills, language skills. and a slew of others are more important. There is nothing stopping blacks from entering the qualifications. Ask yourself why few graduate.
They ring the bell.

and BTW, your racist rant ignores the genetic, and medical disabilities, so common in the black race.

 

You don't understand the issue of this thread. The perpetual reason given to not allow women into combat roles is lack of strength equal to men. Virtually all men agree with this. However, when I point out that white men on average are inferior in physical strength to black men, suddenly superior strength is only of relative importance.

 

No, that is not the overall reason men don't like women in combat, it is one of them, but there are several more important.
Many men just don't think the women should be fighting for chivalrous reasons.
Do you want to be stuck in a foxhole for 3 days with a menstruating woman.

While a certain amount of strength is important, it is nowhere near the main reason.
Sure we could have a bench press contest, however nobody wants that for a qualification.
Besides Blacks score 15% lower on IQ tests than whites, much more important.
OJ was a great athlete, but his IQ is 79. I don't want him making decisions.

Blacks have the opportunity to qualify for the rangers and have the same obstacles as whites

 

Green Beret Qualifications
Army Soldiers who wish to join the Special Forces and don the Green Beret must meet the following requirements:

• 20-30 years old
  
• Be a U.S. citizen
• Be a high school diploma graduate
• Achieve a General Technical score of 110 or higher and a combat operation score of 100 on the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery
• Qualify for a secret security clearance
• Qualify and volunteer for Airborne training
• You must take and pass the Army Physical Fitness Assessment (PFA)
  
• You must successfully complete the Pre-Basic Task list
• You must have 20/20 or corrected to 20/20 in both near and distant vision in both eyes
• One year of college is preferred, but it is not mandatory for enlistment

I see no color or strength factors.

 

My friend was in the British Army, thought himself a bit of hot stuff until he did selection lol, that took the wind out of him, he failed miserably lol.

He's now a screw working in the scrubs

 

Physical strength or mental strength? Takes both to pass not only the SF pipeline, but selection.

Since you're bringing race into SF and "strength"...how many more black men are in the Special Forces than white men? Or is it the other way around?

If you ask me, physical strength is 1/3 the battle. Mental toughness is the only way to survive the training.

 

Not even a third, fitness is key, but strength is not.
Mental ability, and physical fitness, is the most important.

 

You can rest assured that our all volunteer military does not get the cream of the crop in any branch of the service and neither do our military academies.Just look a t the Fat Leonard trials of our Naval Officers including Admirals and the exam cheating and sexual assaults in our academies.

 

You can get corruption in anything, we just see it more, because of computers and lowering the curtain that blocked any accusations.

Generally the Air force gets the best, highest standard, then the Navy, then Marines.
The Army has the lowest standards, and BTW, it has most of the black military.

 

In the total-lack-of-surprise department...

Instructors claim first female enlisted to earn Ranger tab actually quit, given special treatment

The first female to graduate Ranger School allegedly quit during the first phase of training and was given more opportunities to restart phases of the course, according to sources within the Airborne and Ranger Training Brigade.

The US Army celebrated a “first” in August after 29-year-old Staff Sergeant Amanda Kelley graduated from Ranger School at Fort Benning, Georgia, following several female officers who have already completed the course.

However, several sources -including Ranger Instructors (RIs) whose names have been withheld- say that the NCO quit during the first phase of training, but was allowed to come back and even recycle several times, something that has never happened in a course that is supposed to automatically disqualify those who “tap out.”

“She was given more recycles and even quit during the first phase,” an RI source said, speaking on conditions of anonymity.

 

Do you really want to go there? The military has done IQ testing for decades...

 

Anyone currently active duty or ever spent time around Benning knows it was a political stunt. They were not going to let her fail.

 

The standard should not be dropped. Anyone of any race or gender who can meet it should be permitted entry.

There should be one standard.

 

I don't have a problem with women in combat...as a firearms instructor I find that women are usually better shots than men because they listen. Most guys are like IveI been hunting my whole life, they can't teach me how to shoot.
As for whites being inferior to blacks in terms of athleticism, not really true. The majority of naturally gifted athletes do not gravitate towards the military. Most whites are far better mentally when it comes to overcoming the fear of heights (repelling), and fear of water i.e. swimming and diving, Navy Seals.
There is an element of mental toughness that is also required.

 

But the latest Marine Corps study shows differently. Under combat condition women Marines can't hit their targets as often as male Marines.

 

I don't want to be stuck in a foxhole for three days, with a menstruating woman.

 

Or shot down over the ocean when menstruating, you are shark bait.

 

The overlap between men and women is not large. The Army study of men and women performing various physical tasks found that the top 10% of women overlapped the bottom 10% of men.

The basic standards were set based on the job requirements. Many white men could not meet the standards and were dropped from the various courses.

The one time standards were grossly violated was in allowing 2 women to complete the Ranger course.

Standards are not just physical (as in do pushups, run, etc). Candidates have tasks to complete, they have to plan and perform missions of various kinds, and throughout they have to stay focused.

The people who are not physically up to the task wash out in the first couple of days. After that almost all the dropouts are due to a lack of skill (in the Army, land navigation is the big hurdle), or due to mental issues such as the stress, lack of focus, lack of will to succeed.

Your claim is baseless.

 

You really need a hobby.

 

Your concern is based on a lack of resources. Yet you don't seem to understand that it takes a huge amount of resources to get women into the system.

Just to get 2 women through Ranger School, the Army first selected about 400 women (all volunteers) and put them through a program (just for women) designed to prepare them for Ranger School. Then a subset went to the actual "prep" school for Ranger School which is open to men. Then 18 of those went to he actual school. All failed. Some were recycled, all failed. 3 were recycled again, 2 were given Ranger tabs.

The Army needs Rangers. Instead of getting 2 women, for that amount of resources, the Army could have gotten well over 200 male Rangers.

What makes more sense, getting 2 women or and entire Ranger company plus a couple Ranger platoons?

 

There's a reason those two women that "passed" aren't in command of infantrymen now

 

Huh, amazing that militaries full of "inferior" white men consistently kick the asses of the rest of the world (including African nations. OK, who am I kidding, ESPECIALLY African nations). And I don't remember an Army of women ever winning a war. Ever.