Lt. Col. Vindman didn't think the call was so perfect.

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  1. Lee Atwater

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    National Security official to testify he heard Trump’s Ukraine call, told superiors of his concerns
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/29/imp...tify-he-heard-trump-call-voiced-concerns.html

    "A U.S. Army official and White House national security official plans to tell members of Congress conducting an impeachment inquiry that he was on the phone call between President Donald Trump and Ukraine’s leader in which Trump asked for an investigation into the Bidens, and that he raised concerns about it.

    The New York Times first reported Monday evening that Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman, who is the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, considered the request so damaging to American national security that he reported it to a superior."

    Army Officer Who Heard Trump’s Ukraine Call Reported Concerns
    The top Ukraine expert at the White House will tell impeachment investigators he twice reported concerns about President Trump’s pressure tactics on Ukraine, acting out of a “sense of duty.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    "Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman of the Army, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, twice registered internal objections about how Mr. Trump and his inner circle were treating Ukraine, out of what he called a “sense of duty,” he plans to tell the inquiry, according to a draft of his opening statement obtained by The New York Times."

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    What's the plan, man? Ramp up the smear machine again? Attack a decorated member of the military as a deep state partisan hack like career civil servant Bill Taylor was attacked? Or perhaps Don can come up with a nasty nickname for the Lt. Col.

    It's time for a shift in strategy. Stage one (he didn't do it) of Trump Denial Syndrome is no longer tenable. Desperate measures are called for. Trumpette's are going to move straight to stage 6.
    1. He didn't do it.
    2. It is fake news.
    3. Okay, he did it but it was a nothingburger.
    4. Okay, he did it, it was more than a nothingburger, but it wasn't illegal.
    5. Okay, he did it, it was more than a nothingburger, it was illegal, but not when Trump does it.
    6. Okay, he did it, it was more than a nothingburger, it was illegal, but not when Trump does it.........and even if he broke the law I don't care cuz Hillary isn't prez.

    Let's modify stage 6 to fit what it will look like when Repub senators invoke it.

    Okay, he did it, it was more than a nothingburger, it was illegal, it was an abuse of power, it compromised US national security interests, but when Trump does it I say "get over it".........and even if he broke the law I don't care cuz I'll never get re-elected if I base my impeachment vote on the evidence.
     
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    Stage 6 is about all they have any more
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Donor

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    What we have here is a case of a failure to honor the oath of office and the responsibility to the nation being subjugated for the purposes of being re-elected. Hey, what a coincidence. Repub senators are doing exactly what Don did.
     
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    Vindman...........“On many occasions I have been told I should express my views and share my concerns with my chain of command and proper authorities,” he said. “I believe that any good military officer should and would do the same, thus providing his or her best advice to leadership.”

    What is emerging is a picture of many officials, from Bolton to Taylor to Eisenberg to WH lawyers to Vindman, who were aware of Don compromising national security for selfish reasons. As much as I admire the willingness of some to defy the Obstructionist-in-Chief by coming forward to testify............why weren't more people than the WB coming forward to report the call when it happened? The complicity in covering up this crime extends to all levels of the WH and national security personnel. Meaning.........you guessed it.........Don smears his shyte on everything he touches.
     
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    Nothing wrong with speaking up if you have concern.
     
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    Maybe the phone call made him feel icky
     
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    I never thought that I'd see the day when Lee Atwater was supporting Bolton.. Now this is fun....:roflol:
     
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    I can appreciate your need to make light of the matter. After all, what else can you do? What Individual 1 did is indefensible.
     
  9. Lee Atwater

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    Is that really all you've got? Yes, I suppose it is.
     
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    Note, Vindman is note quoted as saying Trump asked for an investigation into Biden.

    This is the NYT characterizing the phone call as the one "in which Trump asked for an investigation into the Bidens."
     
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    Another bad night Lee? Bolton was your sworn enemy just a couple of weeks ago? TDS is not a strong enough syndrome.
     
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    Vindman said he felt uncomfortable.
    He is not quoted as saying
    Trump asked for an investigation into the Bidens. The NYT piece characterized the phone call as the call "in which Trump asked for an investigation into the Bidens". Those are the NYT's words.

    Isn't juxtaposition fun?

     
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    Let's modify stage 6 to fit what it will look like when Repub senators invoke it.
    Okay, he did it, it was more than a nothingburger, it was illegal, it was an abuse of power, it compromised US national security interests, but when Trump does it I say "get over it".........and even if he broke the law I don't care cuz I'll never get re-elected if I base my impeachment vote on the evidence.


    https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/10/10/the-impeachment-loophole-no-ones-talking-about/

    The vote in the Senate requires a 2/3's vote of those present.

    If enough Republicans have the good sense to not show up, the "stain" won't be on their record … or if enough Republican vote "not proven". then the Democrats "guilty" might prevail.

    Either scenario is not too likely, since it would require Republicans to vote conscience over career. Good luck with that.
     
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    The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
     
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    Vindman didn't have to. There's the transcript that proves Trump did ask for an investigation.
     
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    The attack on Vindman by the sycophants has begun.

    The fundamentally un-American attacks on Alexander Vindman

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ntally-un-american-attacks-alexander-vindman/

    Fox News host Laura Ingraham picked out Vindman's background and interactions with the Ukrainian government during her show.

    “Here we have a U.S. national security official, who is advising Ukraine while working inside the White House, apparently against the president's interests, and usually they spoke in English,” she said. “Isn't that kind of an interesting angle on the story?"

    “I find that astounding,” said former George W. Bush administration official John Yoo. “And some people might call that espionage."
     
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    Into the Bidens?
    Giggles
     
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    Yes. Haven't you read the transcript?
     
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    The Ingram and Yoo take on all this was hilarious. The only thing "astounding" is how far the Trump fans have sunk into the desperation well. OMG! They were speaking english! Who cares if they were speaking Klingon the info was passed. "Working against the president's interests?" That sounds like another Trumpian ploy ass umption.

    This last one really pulled the cork outta' the bottle. Their desperation has caused them to go completely bonkers. The Trump base, who will believe anything, will no longer be welcome at the Thanksgiving dinner table. Drunk uncle Bennie is allowed because he just sits there with a strange grin. The Trumpets, however, might actually express themselves. That would start a riot or at least a food fight.
     
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    Now the Orange Turd himself is on the attack against someone with more patriotism towards America in his toenails than Don will ever have. Trump is a disgrace.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/29/donald-trump-alexander-vindman-testimony-061018
     
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    They even support Fox when it benefits them.
     
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    "They even support Fox when it benefits them"

    Doesn't happen very often, but sure, any port in a storm.
     
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    Cheney Rips ‘Shameful’ Attacks On ‘Patriotism’ Of Impeachment Probe Witnesses
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/liz-cheney-republicans-criticize-patriotism-shameful

    Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) called out conservatives who have been attacking Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman and other witnesses in the House impeachment investigation on Tuesday morning.

    After complaining about Democrats’ handling of the investigation during a House Republican leadership presser, Cheney switched tracks.

    “Now I also want to say a word about something else that’s been going on over the course of the last several hours and last night which I think is also shameful,” she said. “And that is questioning the patriotism, questioning the dedication to country, of people like Mr. Vindman, Lt. Col. Vindman, who will be coming today, and others who have testified.”
     
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    How many freaking people were listening to President Trump's phone call to the Ukrainian President ?

    Even small bird colonels ???
     
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