M. P. Sean Fraser, proposed anti-feticide bill.

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by DennisTate, Jul 15, 2016.

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At what number of weeks should a foetus be protected?

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  5. The foetus should NOT be protected at all.

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  1. Zeffy

    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps you should stop reading anti choice pro lie sites.


    Far more women suffer post partum depression after giving birth.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not if the obsolete ideas on Evolutionary Theory are updated.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/opini...lligence-begin-matter-fundamental-energy.html
    Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?
    I am an Evolutionary Theist........

    I am of the belief that a being with "Godlike" technological capability

    began, far far far far far more than 13.72 billion years ago, in
    fundamental or nearly fundamental energy that to at least some
    degree corresponds with "Energy from Quantum Vacuum."


    This Intelligence learned and learned, and experimented..... .and
    designed Big Bang type events, nearly an infinite number of them,
    and eventually, around 13.72 billion year or so ago began our.......
    Big Bang event that led to the evolution plus creation of
    all the life forms that we see here on earth.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you would like to read a powerful case that the level of depression suffered after
    having an abortion is even greater you may wish to google the name Ms. Denise Mountenay.

    http://canadasilentnomore.com
     
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    There is no connection between abortion and breast cancer, that has been proven to be an Anti-Choice lie.

    Pretty silly to ignore everything that happens to pregnant women( some experience subsequent pre-term births, sterility, depression, anxiety disorders, substance abuse, suicides and more) to push your hateful agenda against women...YOU may ignore it but that doesn't make it any less real.
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What does this have to do with my post?

    - - - Updated - - -

    IOW, she lies......
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If..... the Atheistic version of Evolutionary Theory that has been promoted by
    thoroughly biased scientists and educators for about a century comes to be
    recognized as an obsolete theory........ Then.... the stage is set for the realization that

    ... if....... intelligence first began in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy and

    if....... that intelligence invested an astonishing amount of effort over nearly infinite time
    before the latest Big Bang event..... Then....... if after all that effort that Being of
    Light is emotionally involved with the success of each human...... then human life would
    perhaps have something like infinite value to that or those Ancient Beings composed of
    fundamental energy.

    An increase in the valuation on human life can alter how we view many subjects,
    feticide is one of the obvious issues that a more Theistic version of Evolutionary Theory
    would have an impact on.

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ms. Denise Mountenay has responded to this idea.


    http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/testimony/mountenay/

     
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    There is no connection between breast cancer and abortion....it is the usual crap scare tactics from WOMEN HATERS who think if you scare women you can control them which is their only purpose and goal.


    Your pet Denise's personal "story" proves nothing.... you insisting that a personal story you found on the internet proves anything only proves your lack of credibility..




    NOW, IT DOES NOT MATTER what abortion does or doesn't do.


    IT DOES NOT MATTER....because women have the right to CHOOSE what to do with their bodies.

    YOU are NOT their caretaker.

    YOU cannot control what women do :):nana:....and your FAKE concern for women is noted :)


    YOU don't even care if your wife falls over from exhaustion since you admitted she does all the work at home while you do nothing but write letters.......you don't care what's that does to her...
     
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    Imagine that you took a different direction in life and you are a physician,
    can you see why a first trimester abortion might present you with very different
    ethical questions than you would face if you were asked to do a third trimester abortion........

    that would include injecting potassium chloride directly into the heart of the foetus who
    might well be able to survive many types of abortion?
     
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    Here is an article from a woman who had three abortions but learned some huge lessons from her
    experiences and is now a pro-life activist.

    http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/testimony/mountenay/
     
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    Once again(and again and again) you respond with a totally irrelevant statement because you have nothing to address my post with:


    Quote Originally Posted by FoxHastings View Post

    There is no connection between breast cancer and abortion....it is the usual crap scare tactics from WOMEN HATERS who think if you scare women you can control them which is their only purpose and goal.


    Your pet Denise's personal "story" proves nothing.... you insisting that a personal story you found on the internet proves anything only proves your lack of credibility..




    NOW, IT DOES NOT MATTER what abortion does or doesn't do.


    IT DOES NOT MATTER....because women have the right to CHOOSE what to do with their bodies.

    YOU are NOT their caretaker.

    YOU cannot control what women do ....and your FAKE concern for women is noted


    YOU don't even care if your wife falls over from exhaustion since you admitted she does all the work at home while you do nothing but write letters.......you don't care what's that does to her...""""
     
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    WTF does this have to do with it???? I said that it should remain that zefs have no rights here in Canada. You are posting gobbledygook in response.
     
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    http://www.cancer.org/cancer/breastcancer/moreinformation/is-abortion-linked-to-breast-cancer
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If it is any consolation I just finished vacuuming the upstairs!
     
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    I am so unimpressed....now do it when you're 8 months pregnant and do the whole house and dust everything and clean behind the furniture and pick up all the dirty clothes, put things back where they belong and do two loads of laundry and get groceries and clean the toilet and cook dinner and don't forget the 10 hours devoted to your job and the other 14 to your kids and lazy asp husband.....you'd never make through day one....

    ...and you're off topic as usual...
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't think I had to specify that making even some improvements around the house......

    is a small step toward that day when my wife and I might............. decide to adopt...... frankly though.....

    household income would probably also have to be up by thirty percent........... before we would make that
    drastic of a decision.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just posted a message to my Facebook wall:

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    Facebook gave me the option to re-share a message from July 21, 2015.

     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good point!

    One of the things that scared me about the research done by Helen Wambach Ph. D. beginning in
    the 1960's, was that while hypnotized and regressed in time to what they perceived as a "past life"
    men saw themselves as women in another time and place.

    The women who saw themselves as men.... .weren't bothered so much by the experience but
    when men saw themselves dying in childbirth, in a past life....... they were seriously freaked out!
     
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    537 abortions took place in the third trimester of pregnancy in the year that these stats were compiled.

    http://abortionincanada.ca/stats/abortions-by-gestational-age/

    Abortions by Gestational Age
     
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    21 weeks isn't 3rd trimester. 3rd trimester abortion does not happen here in Canada. Don't use anti choice sites, they lie.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is an interesting reply to what I am proposing that came in
    on the official Christian Heritage Party forum:

    http://cv.fr.yuku.com/topic/3909/master/1/?page=1#.V6-ObmXA6UU
    I am hoping to be in four campaigns over the next four years.
     
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    Proof that even Canada has anti choice loons.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good point!

    And some of those "anti choice loons" even have political aspirations:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=458437&p=1066533859#post1066533859
     
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    I am actually somewhat in favour of the Pro-Choice position.... but I do not consider that freedom of choice
    can be an absolute..... that can be practical if freedom of choice has zero checks and balances.

    Once the foetus gets to the place where he or she could survive many types of abortion.......
    it is time for the mother to take a little bit of responsibility for the life of that child.... .and switch over
    from wanting an abortion to preparing her child for adoption........... if she is certain that she does not
    wish to raise her child herself.

    It is also important that the father know about the existence of this child....... and in many cases.... the father or
    relatives of the father should have some choice..... if they are willing to adopt the child.
     

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