Macron says Africa’s main problem is ‘7-8 children per woman,’

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  1. Ostap Bender

    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    Leftists are very angry about Macron. They have a better solution to solve African problems. All Africans shall go to Europe and USA as 'refugees' and replace native folks like Merkel it in Germany does.
    If native european folks do not want to be replaced they are 'nazi','racist','bigot' and 'homophobe', state financed Antifa will terrorize and kill them.
    Europa and USA are for Africans only demand liberals!

    French President Emmanuel Macron is in hot water for saying that one of Africa’s main problems is women having too many children. Social media has been grilling him for blaming innocent children rather than Western companies that are “looting” Africa.
    Macron addressed African issues during the June 7-8 G20 summit in Hamburg, Germany. However, the video of his speech was released on social media only on Monday.

    The president said the African continent’s problems were not economic, ecological, or political, but demographic.

    “When countries still have seven to eight children per woman, you can decide to spend billions of euros, but you will not stabilize anything,” he stated.


    https://www.rt.com/news/395996-macron-africa-children-main-problem/

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    Africa have two problems : their demography and corruption.

    I don't like him, even if I ended to vote for him with some regrets, but he is right on that.
     
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    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    And tribalism.
     
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    The liberal way to deal with it is through abortions. I recall talk show host Dr Dean Edell weekly criticizing Bush for not providing enough money for African abortions, the "good" doctor said he'd sometimes go there to help out.
     
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    Or to send all African 'refuges' to the new EU Associate Member - Ukraine.
     
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    Where did any of the people objecting to Macron’s statement even imply that as a “solution”? What made you imagine you could get away with so blatantly making that up?

    The objections seem to be focusing on the West “looting” Africa, though that’s no less a simplistic representation as Macron has been accused of, they’re clearly interested in improving the situation for people there precisely to preventing them wanting/needing to go elsewhere. I don’t know the wider context of Macron’s statement but it is true that large families is really a symptom of wider issues that a fundamental cause and just as has happened in other parts of the world, reducing those wider problems will naturally lead to lower birth rates over time. To suggest that there is no point providing financial support for the development of these regions until after births rates are significantly reduced would be fundamentally flawed.
     
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    So called 'Help for Africa' is a good business for liberal parasites who siphoned money of western tax payers in own pockets.
    We shall leave Africa for ever and let it life as two thousands years ago.
    No financial help, no support, nothing, otherwise African demography will swallow us.
     
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    Don't change the subject. My question was why did you so shamelessly misrepresent what the article said?
     
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    The West didn't help by introducing technology that lowers the natural death rate.
     
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    Frankly I'm surprised at Macron's statement. It's almost as if Le Pen lost the election, but won the battle of ideas.
     
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    No the left wanted Condoms for the africans to help stop the spread of AIDS and other STDs as well as birth control. The Bush administration had cut funding for these programs and actually funded religious groups that opposed condoms.
     
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    Made up BS!

    George W. Bush's Legacy on Africa Wins Praise, Even From Foes
    April 26, 2013

    The George W. Bush Presidential Library dedication brought together five living presidents who have been at odds about much of the 43 rd president's foreign policy legacy, particularly the Iraq war. But they all agreed on, and offered effusive praise for, Bush's work on Africa.

    From the historic peace agreement between Sudan and South Sudan in 2005, to Bush's work on HIV/AIDS and malaria, all the presidents, regardless of party, thanked No. 43 for his involvement in African policies and issues.

    Jimmy Carter - who now runs the Carter Center, a non-profit organization whose mission is to fight for human rights, conflict resolution and global health in the world's most impoverished countries - laid out Bush's accomplishments, including increasing aid to the continent by more than 640% by the time he left office.

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    In this age because the population of the world is exploding, it is ludicrous and irresponsible for anyone, even rich people to have more than 2-3 kids. And this is ten fold for those who cannot support them in the first place. And Africa is a super poor country that can't monetarily take care of children at all.

    Therefore, instead of trying to control populations around the world and in the U.S. by abortion, wouldn't it make more sense to hand out birth control rather than kill innocent babies? And if they can't be trusted to take it, maybe they should have to undergo a vasectomy or have their tubes tied both of which are reversible should their financial situation change?
     
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    Well, the man is an idiot.

    Macron should be forced to spend 20 hours each week getting water for cooking, cleaning and bathing for a week, then he just might possibly change his mind.
     
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    Why? Would the facts about Africans having too many children change?
     
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    WTF??

    This is a message about planned parenting!



    So lots of them catholic conservatives are having a fit.

    1) These Africans don't end up in the US.
    2) They are immigrants. Merkel accepts refugees, not immigrants.
     
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    What exactly are you trying to state here? That he shouldn't have said?

    I'd like to see a study where Macro pulled those numbers. Even here in the US very few couples or God help them single moms can afford to provide food, shelter, medical care etc for 7-8 children. That's even with all of our welfare and medical care we as a society provide.

    It's beyond irresponsible, it's criminal to bring children into the world knowing you can't even feed them. Why? So many can starve to death before the age of 5? It's so selfish
     
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    For the most part, IMO you can thank the Catholics for defeating most worldwide attempts at sensible birth control measures. They still have their way in the US as well, any which way they can.
     
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    I agree! He is right, they shouldn't be having so many children... but the US shouldn't be destroying countries and forcing them to leave. The Europeans are the real fools though. Not only did they go along with the US with the sanctions on Russia, and ended up losing twice as much as Russia did ...while the US lost nothing, but they went along in destroying countries in the Middle East and N. Africa, and now they are suffering the migrants... not the US.
     
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    Personally....I love it that our Amish have 6 to 10 kids. And I also know that France is desperately trying to encourage their women to have kids in the first place. Europe is in an unsustainable situation unless more kids are born to pay for the entitlements. Which is why immigrants are somewhat encouraged.

    Its a bit racist/or bigoted to get after a race of people for having kids when you wish your own country could produce more.
     
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    I actually think this issue is tied to child mortality rates and maternal education. Africa generally have a very high child mortality rate for children under the age of five, hundreds of years ago Europeans also had large families due to high child mortality rates. The problem is, if a woman is having baby after baby then caring for children is all she can do... there is no time for better education or better job, if she is able to work then the type of work she can do while juggling 7 plus kids are generally very low paid. Maternal education is also tied to the level of a child's education... there is much you learn from your mother and studies indicate the better educated your mother is, the better educated you will be.
     
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    Oh goodie, can we do the same for Israel?
     
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    Here, chew on these.

    http://prospect.org/article/how-bushs-aids-program-failing-africans
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC487767/
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2013/08/14/the-real-story-about-bush-hivaids-and-africa/
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3887177.stm

    Do your research
     
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    Not when their country can't even produce sustainable agricultural, let alone excesses.

    There's a reason hunter gatherer populations kept their numbers low, food.

    The west has developed a culture of excess, they are just more focused on themselves than the future to have children.
     
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