Macron says Africa’s main problem is ‘7-8 children per woman,’

The United States is less white than Argentina.

Why is our IQ higher on average?
What accounts for the Serbian-Polish disparity?
How do you think that map would have looked 60-70 years ago when China wasn't much wealthier than Africa?

 

Your IQ is lower than in Europe. Its a basic fact that black nations have lower IQ. The average IQ in africa is around 65. In germany that would be leveled as mental retarded.

Why go back 60 - 70 years? There are countries like Myanmar today as poor as africa but their IQ is around 100.

The fact is, that europeans, asians and native americans intermixed with Neanderthals. Those had larger brains. Africans have no genetic code from neaderthalians and so naturally smaller brains.

Did you ever visit an african country? I was in Madagascar...and believe me most there were not really smart....to say at best.

 

Well, my IQ is exceptionally high, but that's not what we're discussing.

Parts of Europe. And it's not a complicated exercise to crunch the numbers to find that the disparity between the US and, say, Germany, doesn't correlate to the proportion of European DNA. So either we have the smartest white people in the world, or this supposed genetic disparity is being overcome.

There is a massive disparity between an African-American and a sub-Saharan African, and that's an important fact.

While I don't buy the leftist line about there being no genetic disparity in intelligence between populations, I think that even a cursory study of the subject tells us that the vast majority of the difference between a genetic African and a genetic European can be overcome. I've long held the opinion, a politically incorrect one here in the States, that the disparity is neither genetic nor socioeconomic, but cultural.

Just take a look at that map brotha. A lot of outliers, yes? What's with Croatia? Ireland? The disparity between Brazil and Colombia? Lithuania? The aforementioned closeness of American and European IQs?

The phenotypic categorization does have a striking correlation on that map, but if you want to establish causal relationships correlation just ain't gonna cut it. It only takes a single outlier and the causal relationship must be thrown out the window. African-Americans and Irishmen are quite close. Irish-Americans have higher IQs than Irishmen.

Or we can look at your own country. Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ of any measured ethnic group in the world. Genetically, they're Rhinelanders. What's the difference?

 

No its not a fact. Wherevere you have africans...you have africa with all its chaos and savage culture. Its extremly hard to teach them basic civilisation. Germany suceeded a bit in Namibia, where we teached them some decent behavior and it lasts today and allows them some very basic standards.

How did we achieve this? With harshest methods. Its not like tehy get it from themself. We must force them and create order by fear.

South America is perfect example. Argentina and Chile have almost only white european people and the absolute highest IQ there. The more africans are there, the lower is IQ.

Its said the highest cultural achievement f black africans is the mud buildings of Timbuktu. That means their highest achievment is reaching the skills of a Termite...

 

We can go round and round on this point, but it remains that the United States is "blacker" than either Argentina and Chile. Yet, our IQ is approaching that of your idyllic white Europe (and I'll note that as an average surpasses Europe), whereas Argentina and Ireland fall behind. Why?

Careful analysis seems to indicate that even if there is a genetic disparity it is simply dwarfed by cultural factors.

 

Nonsense.

 

"Nonsense" is not enough. Do you have an explanation for the disparity between the States and Argentina, Croatia, or Ireland?

 

Yup. Negro were not part of Test group!

 

This isn't the first time these tests have been done, and they correlate with domestic IQ tests used to analyze differences between different groups within the US. American blacks fall only a few point short of Irishman, Lithuanians, and Croatians. Pearly white Argentinians, on the other hand, fall quite short. The Brazilians, with a significant black population, have a higher average IQ than a large number of their mostly-native neighbors.

You can't just pretend that these incongruities don't exist. That means you have to accept that some of this disparity can be overcome, if not entirely reversed. What accounts for the 30-point difference between your average sub-Saharan African and your average African-American?

 

Political Agenda.

 

I haven't read this whole thread so forgive me if this has already been dealt with.

It's true that Africa is being looted. Check out the info.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Africa/Looting_Congo.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Africa/AfricaWatch.html

In countries that don't have national pension plans for retired people, a lot of people have a lot of children with the idea that their children will support them in their old age. If the looting stops and African countries finally have presidents that represent the people instead of foreign companies, they might be able to start national pension plans. The first thing to do is stop the imperialism.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/american-imperialism.371897/

Most of the Latin Americans who go to the US are escaping the poverty caused by American imperialism.

 

Nobody know how to move Africa "out of poverty."

It is probably impossible.

 

If wishers were horses then beggars would ride.

 

I wish the US and Europe would stop looting Africa. Don't you?

 

No, and neither do the Africans. When leftists say "looting" Africa they usually mean making business deals with Africans. This, not foreign aid, is what's going to bring Africa out of poverty. It's already started.

 

There is nothing else that can be done, other than abandoning the continent altogether.

The African politicans are the senior partners in the looting of their continent. Europeans can do nothing without the support of the local kleptocrats.

 

China is taking over that role. A "business deal" that takes your raw materials away to be processed and then sold back to you at inflated prices, rather than helping you build a processing plant is a more subtle form of looting.

 

One can always point to anomalies instead of acknowledging the undisputed hugely larger picture.
To take your last ostensible anomaly...
China was always smarter than Africa. Look at their relative civilizational accomplishments, even early.
Gun Powder, Astronomical records, a Civil Service system, Great Wall, etc, ad infinitum.
China of 1000 (maybe 2000) years ago was more advanced than Africa of 100 years ago.

And actually, it was "60 or 70 years ago" is when the general Higher NE Asian IQ was noticed officially. (500 years after Marco Polo)
Adopted Korean and Vietnamese War babies, many malnourished, exceeded their white Middle Class parents in IQ.

National IQ is not really the point or preferred talking point for Lynn/other researchers.
It's really about Race. But Race is much more controversial, if more accurate than the more murky/arbitrary-border 'National'.

Like much of your posting, that's a premise error/false question.
Clarifying it will be enlightening for all.

`American Black' is Not a race.
'Black'/All people of color is Not a race. It's colloquial usage.
(ie, Australian Aboriginals, despite having even lower IQs, are genetically further from sub-Saharans than from Finns)

sub-Saharans are a macro Race with app 70 IQs.
American Blacks are a recent admixture/hybrid race (app 20% 'white'), who have 85 IQ's.
85, hark, midway between the White 100 and sub-Saharan 70.
Slavery was atrocious, but some IQ points were picked up.

I'll put up more stats in future posts.
It's about Race. The less precise National IQ is just more socially acceptable to talk about.
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The only point you made is your personal opinion not backed up by anything.
Your random 5 year old can do that. Bravo.

 

Not if one is trying to establish causal relationships.

I'm willing to bet that 100 years ago, when China had been a disunited mess for some decades, the average IQ level was at least 20 points lower.

We've been tracking average IQ for some time, you know.

Race is just as murky as nationality. In a sense, murkier.

If we're trying to establish genetic causes for differences in IQ between populations it's useful to take people with genetic similarity and have them raised in significantly different cultural backgrounds.

The average of American blacks has a similar distribution as the average of American whites. In other words, there isn't any measurable difference between an American black with 50% European genetic markers and one with 5%.

 

Untrue.
there are always exceptions to the rule/true generalization.
ie, I CAN say Southern California is sunnier than Seattle, despite you disingenuously pointing to two more similar cities nearby each.
Try again.

"you're willing to bet" is not a factual claim, it's empty-speak.
Relative racial IQ takes a hell of a lot longer to change than 100 years.

China was certainly less united in periods, but my point still stands - Hugely.
Again, the historical sub-Saharan societal accomplishment is virtually Zero relative to China.
Again, my points stands despite your tries at ambiguation.

Not in the case of Macro Races (the old '3') we are talking about here so far. (I will probably go wider/more precise at some point)

As everyone can tell, I've been doing this much longer (and better). Note my handle.
Trans-racial adoption studies take out the guess work. The great 'blank slate' killer.

Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic - News Medical

5. Trans-Racial Adoption Studies.
Race differences in IQ remain following adoption by White middle class parents. East Asians grow to average higher IQs than Whites while Blacks score lower....​

So you have no rebuttal to the average IQ of American Blacks vs sub-Saharan/White.
Period.
And I doubt you can prove your claim of no difference between 5% and 50%, I can't.
Just anecdotally, of course, we have our last President - 50%.
Before Priebus, the head of the RNC was Michael Steele - 50%.
Neil deGrassse Tyson, most famous Black scientist of the day - 50%

Another excerpt from the article linked above, and may use more fully later, and another example of racial admixture similar to the 'American Black' IQ.

6. Racial Admixture Studies.
Black children with lighter skin, for example, average higher IQ scores. In South Africa, the IQ of the mixed-race "Colored" population averages 85, intermediate to the African 70 and White 100.*​

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Yes, of course. More importantly, those exceptions, if they come to exist under different conditions, one can look at that set of conditions and wonder if they had some impact on the outcome.

In other words, they suggest a different causal factor than the generalization supposes.

Not a good analogy. Causality is not a factor here.

No, it doesn't. American blacks in the south 60 years ago had significantly lower IQs than they have now.

No such thing as a "macro race." There is more genetic diversity between African populations than there is between a European and a Chinese.

No they don't. The fact that a person is phenotypically black still matters regardless of the phenotype of their parents. The way they view themselves and there place in society changes.

The rough sense of the way you look at black people? They feel it to, and that matters.

Not blank slates at all. The fact that they are black is not just a genetic variable, but a cultural variable.

I just gave it to you. The amount of European blood American blacks has no impact on their average IQ score.

They're not black, they're colored. In the United States nobody is colored, they're all black.

What potential causal relationship can be drawn from this inference?

 

IMO you are overgeneralizing here. Different regions and different individuals have varying points of view about this, especially since Obama's successful Presidential runs but even before then. In the South a cream-colored person with curly hair might have been assumed to be "black", but in New England the same person would be seen as Italian.

Additionally, most Americans are able to clearly distinguish between African blacks and people with dark skins from other places, such as India, and do not necessarily think of them as "black". There are many racial/genetic differences that are much more important than the darkness of a person's skin.

 

I know, that was precisely my point.

I never really understood what people meant by "race is a social construct" until I read about the Haitian Revolution. During the Haitian Revolution there weren't two races and a mixture, but three races. White, colored, black. The same exists today in South Africa.

Why does this matter? Because in countries where that distinction is regarded as important there are important differences between coloreds and blacks. In other countries, like the US, where "black" and "colored" are not important distinctions, those differences between half-white/half-black and full black people disappear.

This is important if we're trying to establish genetic causality.

And I want to be clear, I'm not saying there is not a genetic factor in average IQ differences between populations, I'm saying that we don't really know if there is or is not, but we DO know that the generalized differences between whites and blacks (phenotypical distinctions) can be largely overcome by cultural shifts.

Black-ness in the US isn't simply related to skin color, but skin color plus bone structure. I've never confused a Tamil Indian for a black. I've never confused a particularly light-skinned black for a dark Greek. The phenotypical differences extend beyond skin color.

 

Wait, people are actually mad at him for that?

This seems like ridiculous PC bulloxonyrap

This ABSOLUTELY IS a problem.

I am starting to think that the real racists are those that 'baby' black people. If we cannot have open conversations about a lot of problems in both Africa and the Black Communities in the US/Europe we are never going to fix the actual problem, I hate this stuff