Macron says Africa’s main problem is ‘7-8 children per woman,’

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Ostap Bender, Jul 12, 2017.

  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    42,019
    Likes Received:
    5,395
    Trophy Points:
    113
    12 million? Merkel did not import 12 million.

    And that people have a problem with this preventing 6-7 children in Africa, is nothing but a bunch of Christian weirdo's who demand planned parenting is out the window. That is just bang on the buck.
     
  2. Colonel K

    Colonel K Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    9,770
    Likes Received:
    556
    Trophy Points:
    113
    As people move out of poverty, they have fewer children. Simple.
     
  3. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They seem to have managed for many thousands of years before anyone else 'discovered' them..
     
    Merwen likes this.
  4. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    European leaders not having children is a reflection on western Europe itself. Fighting for a culture which has no children seems pointless, which is why the void the Europeans created by not having will be filled with others. Macron gets little sympathy for complaining about African birth rates.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10306/childless-europe
     
    Merwen likes this.
  5. Merwen

    Merwen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2014
    Messages:
    11,574
    Likes Received:
    1,731
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Have you checked in with the Satanists lately? They believe it is perfectly OK to deliberately seduce the spouses of others in order to steal them. To get to that point consciously one must first abandon Judeo-Christian morality.

    It is really just common sense, though, If you reject the usual moral precepts of religion and also swim against the better biological instincts, you are left with a nightmare.

    Of course it is possible to become a "secular humanist' or adhere to some other system, but that is the acceptance of another belief system, and not pure atheism. A disbelief in gods does not necessitate that such a person will choose to adopt another belief system.
     
    Fred C Dobbs likes this.
  6. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,163
    Likes Received:
    3,097
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Most athee would say it's as insane to believe in the red goatman than the weirdo sadic magician in the sky.
     
    Merwen likes this.
  7. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They may well say that but then what belief has taken its Christianity's place?

    Whatever belief they may now hold appears to be nihilistic. They have no children, little hope and a questionable future.

    While atheists may fancy themselves to be quite sophisticated in rejecting religion and speaking of Christianity in derogatory terms, they seem to missing the larger picture regarding the values we have come to know and the rights we've come to share. Now the non-believers will be overcome by Islam, and why not? People who believe strongly in something always win over people who believe in nothing in particular.

    But the Atheists may already sense that they won't be able to enjoy the mocking of Islam much longer, as they have with Christianity, if Charlie Hebdo is any indication. I think the French will miss Christianity very much, especially when Notre Dame Cathedral finally becomes a mosque.
     
  8. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,163
    Likes Received:
    3,097
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I honnestly prefer to nuke ourselves rather letting that be.

    I personnaly inspired myself a lot by roman stoician philosopher who offer a good way to direct your life.

    I finally "converted" to buddhism, but I have still little to no faith. But I prefer to present myself as an athee because I think not like a buddhist but an athee, and not a tolerant one.
     
  9. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And that would be the response of a nihilist. If you don't have children and family to fight for there is little reason to fight at all. Glory perhaps, but this is a war of cultures and beliefs, and not a traditional war where victory over an adversary is measured quite differently. At one time the French, and others of course, had the Church to bind the social contract but now even the Church turns away , recognizing the demographics and the future before it.
    But you are still alone in that belief, as you are with Buddhism. Neither are what defines the French people, culture and community. You're making Macron's point.
    It's surprising how militant many atheists have become. It might be time take a long walk in the country and discover God. Not a Christian, Muslim, or Jewish God, but the spirit waiting in your soul that we might call God. Look within rather than searching vainly for some other philosophy that doesn't apply to who you are.
     
    Merwen likes this.
  10. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2016
    Messages:
    26,502
    Likes Received:
    7,495
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Or better yet, with real information. Do you know why African women have 7-8 kids? No, of course you don't or you wouldn't be saying the liberal solution is abortion. Hint: check the death rate among children under age 5 and the life expectancy of a newborn. Children are necessary for income and survival due to such low wages and low job availability. It is demographics.
     
  11. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    42,019
    Likes Received:
    5,395
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Satan and Juwish/Christianity are all part of the same branch of Abrahamic religion. It has nothing to do with atheism, who deny the entire existence of Satan, God, Jesus, angles etc. And what you claim about Satanists "lately"... that crap also goes down in Christian sects. Get real.

    Give an example where specifically atheists got despicable norms. Because so far you have not.
     
  12. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,163
    Likes Received:
    3,097
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes. And too because I studied art a long time. Muslims hate everything the french painting represent : drawing, nudity, paganism.
    They also hate dogs. One of my other passion is educating dogs.
    If one day muslims could take over France, I would give my life to save our artistic legacy.

    France changed a lot, is changing anyway. Buddhist in France are a small group, but growing fast. Fast for a little group is not tons of people, but still more and more.
    I don't like that much christianism, mainly because even if I'm not gay, because of their behaviour toward gay people, and the idea of god for me make few sense, but I fully accept our christian legacy however.

    Their is a french culture, it's more in the past that today. Today it's more "the remnants" of french culture, but this idiot claimed they were never a french culture.
    Furthermore, at the opposite of Macron, I don't believe in that intellectual nihilism who says that everything is the same or the equivalan

    The way some people conceive christianism made a lot of people suffer.

    7

    I'm a pure blood norman, but I wouldn't surprised I would have some italian or even arabic blood in my veins, but bouddhism is in my family, one of my parent is bouddhist .I grow up a bouddhism, it's my education. I saw some people had good results with bouddhism in their life. I'm handicaped, I have anxiety attack daily, a past of drepression, but I saw some people overcome bigger problems thanks to buddhism.
    Furthermore, buddhism don't contradict with my convictions. I don't even really need to believe in the reincarnation stuff to be buddhist.
    Buddhism have too a lot of common with stoician philosophers. Stoician philosophy is an integral part of latin culture, and so the legacy of France too.
     
    Fred C Dobbs likes this.
  13. Merwen

    Merwen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2014
    Messages:
    11,574
    Likes Received:
    1,731
    Trophy Points:
    113



    Or torn down.
     
  14. Merwen

    Merwen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2014
    Messages:
    11,574
    Likes Received:
    1,731
    Trophy Points:
    113

    After all, where would one be if one didn't have a toothpick-armed, starving baby to entice the NGO's to help one out? Every well fed African family must learn to keep one of its children in starvation, as so many do already.
     
  15. Merwen

    Merwen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2014
    Messages:
    11,574
    Likes Received:
    1,731
    Trophy Points:
    113

    I have attended some meetings of atheists and have observed that some of the less intellectual, educated, and learned ones are as interested in finding safe places to do drugs as they are in anything else.

    A belief system that leads to that sort of end is worthless to society. A decent belief system is useful to people at all levels of competence, but in varying ways. Those wha do not see this are simply being rigid., IMO.
     
    Fred C Dobbs likes this.
  16. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2016
    Messages:
    26,502
    Likes Received:
    7,495
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Are you really a human being? You lack knowledge, understanding, compassion, and common sense, but you have an abundance of intolerance and contempt it seems. You're a Pro-Trumper, aren't you? LOL!!!!
     
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2017
  17. Merwen

    Merwen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2014
    Messages:
    11,574
    Likes Received:
    1,731
    Trophy Points:
    113
    People adapt to the resources they are most easily able to access. It is inhumane and contemptible to set up systems which ignore this reality.
     
  18. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    42,019
    Likes Received:
    5,395
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't care about your alleged personal experience. And that your opinion is actually based on a handful of according to yourself not so intelligent people to judge a group of maybe 500 million people... that is just totally retarded.
     
  19. Merwen

    Merwen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2014
    Messages:
    11,574
    Likes Received:
    1,731
    Trophy Points:
    113

    I base my opinions on my observations, and nothing you have said to date has motivated me to change them...particularly your rudeness.

    Don't ask for peoples' input, as you did above, if you really have no interest in receiving it:

    notme:

    "Give an example where specifically atheists got despicable norms. Because so far you have not."


    You will notice I gave you a specific example, just as you requested, which you then failed to consider. The point, of course, is that although atheism can be quite thrilling to intellectuals it does nothing for the moral life of the less intellectual, who have little interest in philosophy.
     
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2017
  20. Merwen

    Merwen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2014
    Messages:
    11,574
    Likes Received:
    1,731
    Trophy Points:
    113

    When I did door to door polling I observed a number of affluent families with numerous children--some of which had serious genetically caused problems. The Catholic Kennedys role modeled this as best they could.
     
  21. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    42,019
    Likes Received:
    5,395
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Your opinion is not worth the bits on this internet page, mate.
    I want a credible source and a link or I'll just bin your opinion.
    So far you got nothing.
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2017
  22. Merwen

    Merwen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2014
    Messages:
    11,574
    Likes Received:
    1,731
    Trophy Points:
    113

    It seems clear that there is no point in further discussion with you then, since you seem to expect me to do your research for you, which I will not do because I do not care what you think, and your incivility has made me unwilling to be accommodating.

    IMO your negative and insulting responses are more than enough to prove my point that much of the good and civility in Western societies has a Christian foundation. By not acknowledging and dealing with that fact productively, you have made yourself a less likable and worthy person-- for you have abandoned the framework within which the most honorable and notable people of the West have chosen to develop themselves.

    If you have difficulty understanding the above point, I suggest you read Ben Franklin's Autobiography, especially the part about the point system he set up for himself. However, I am fully aware that you will not make use of this sop that I have thrown to you, for the same reason that one does not throw pearls before swine.

    Have a nice day.
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2017
    jimmy rivers likes this.
  23. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2013
    Messages:
    42,019
    Likes Received:
    5,395
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You've been insulting atheists as immoral with no source to back it up.
    Your claim, your burden. You got no proof and refuse to do your own research.

    You have no place in this entire forum.
     
  24. Merwen

    Merwen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2014
    Messages:
    11,574
    Likes Received:
    1,731
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Whatever.

    Please try to stop proving my point.
     
  25. Taxonomy26

    Taxonomy26 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2016
    Messages:
    1,611
    Likes Received:
    1,237
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Haven't read whole string, but let me save you some time.
    THIS is why BOTH the country and planet look the way they do.
    Why our colleges, cities, and prisons (as well as Hormonal/T difference) look the way they do, and why, ie, sub-Saharan Africa is an ungovernable rabble.
    It's really quite simple.
    Race/IQ
    https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country


    [​IMG]

     
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2017
    Merwen likes this.

Share This Page