Macron warns of ‘escalation of rhetoric’ after Biden ‘genocide’ comment

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  1. MissingMayor

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    So you admit we were fighting them in 2014, which is several years before 2017? Good. Now you can quit that nonsense about us not fighting them before 2017.

    As for whatever nonsense Rand Paul said, he is not a reliable source and he loves to twist words and even flat out make stuff up.
     
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    We never "turned" on the "Islamic State". We were fighting them in Iraq since their inception. The political sublties of the area is a nuance that you never grasped. The "Islamic State" was made up of many different factions, all having different goals. Did we arm some of those factions to fight Assad.....yes, we did. I had already said that fact. Did the "Islamic State" have any kind of "central government"? No.....so we didn't "turn" on anyone. We were fighting agains a theocracy.
    Yes I did
    No, it does not
    Wrong on both counts
    The jackass from Virginia was just political theater. He was putting on a show of "saving Christians". Gabbard and the others were also political theater but more alligned with what you saying but was wrong and is why her bill didn't get the support to pass.
     
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    We were fighting ISIS in Iraq .. not in Syria - which is very clearly outlined in my post .. so you got something very confused .. unsurprisingly because you clearly have no idea what down in the war in Syria.

    Then - after misrepresenting my words .. you finish with Ad Hom fallacy .. Your claim that Rand Paul .. would just make up a story about being allied with Al Qaeda ... arming Al Qaeda .. is laughable nonsense on steroids.. knee jerk reaction to having your necessary illusion bubble popped..

    You can go back in the convo you jumped into .. and find that not only did Rand Paul say this .. but the Defense Intelligence Agency - 13 Bipartisan co-sponsors to the "Stop arming Terrorist Act" along with Tulsi Gabbard of course .. who you also likely hate because she is "Anti War" .. a "Russian Spy" and all the rest of the pablem spoon fed propaganda you have ingested .. hence the popping of the bubble.

    It is not a secret that we were allied with the rebel opposition in Syria .. those fighting against the Evil Assad .. did you not know at least this much ?

    and who was that "Rebel Opposition" ?
     
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    Why are you repeating back to me what I just told you - as if it is new information you are bringing to the table. We are not talking about Iraq .. and it was explained in detail .. I think twice now .. along with a link of Rand Paul saying this exact same thing .. that we were fighting ISIS in Iraq .. while still allied with them in Syria.

    Then .. after misrepresenting my words .. having no idea about what went on in Syria .. no idea that there were no "moderates" .. no idea that it was the Islamic State that was the opposition to Assad .. and not civilians.. in some civil war you bandied on about .. you project your failings onto me claiming I am the one who does not grasp the political sublties..


    Then finally - after post after post of denial .. you relent and admit we armed and supported a Jihadist proxy army in Syria .. Kudo's for that.. and yes .. there were many different groups . specially in the beginning .. and when the foreign fighters came in tens of thousands .. just a mess really. all groups however can be called spawn of Al Qaeda .. all the same Saudi inspired militant Salafist Islamist extremists..

    These loosely affiliated groups however all coallesced under 2 banners in the Islamic State .. Al Qaeda or ISIS .. and sometimes these two fought each other ..

    Then you go completely off the rails .. so dissapointing .. relapsing into full on denial
    1) The Islamic State had a central Gov't .. set up courts - police - fire water power .. had a rather booming economy fueled by oil arms and theivery Nations such as Turkey Saudi Arabia and Qatar gave tacit recognition to this new state

    2) what kind of state it was matters not to "theocracy" which is exactly what the Goal of the new State was .. the goal of every Islamist .. which is what distinguishes an Islamist from a Muslim .. This was a "Holy War" the Opposition was fighting against Secularism .. to bring Strict Sharia to Syria .. your not knowing this .. shows exactly that you are not aware of the political nuances of the situation ... this is not debated by anyone in serious or unserious circles .. not even CNN would debate the

    So your completely wrong .. and a pathetic attempt to be sure given the info you have recieved so far .. The Opposition was not only fighting to bring Strict Sharia to Syria .. they did bring it - dark age style - to almost all of Syria . rape - forced marriage daily executions - rounding up enthnic minorities and killing them aka "Genocide" Thats the side the USA was on .. the side you are still rooting for ..

    Do you have any clue what it would be like for a person living in any of these cities taken over by the Islamic State -- to wake up and be under their rule. You would give your left testicle to be transported to Ukraine .. paradise by comparison.

    Now get a grip .. The horses mouth as promised.

    Biden responding to questions after giving a talk at Harvard in 2014 - the time-line is important .. as this was just around the time when Obama started floating the "Moderate Rebel Lie"

    https://mideastshuffle.com/2014/10/04/biden-turks-saudis-uae-funded-and-armed-al-nusra-and-al-qaeda/

    As for the second part .. at the time our support was not yet Overt .. so it turned out that Biden was helping.. and in fact orchestrating the arms shipments .. so top part true .. bottom part also true but Biden feigning that we were not involved is a lie.
     
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    Most people understand that "Islamic State" = "Islamic State In Syria" = "ISIS" = "ISIL".

    When you say that the US was not fighting "The Islamic State in Syria" most people would interpret that as referring to ISIS as a whole, and not take the "in Syria" part as a "where". But you are wrong anyway. The US was launching airstrikes against ISIS in Syria in 2014.

    https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...ent-obama-delivers-statement-airstrikes-syria

     
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    1) which is why I stated "Islamic State in Syria" - the point of being to distinguish between Syria and Iraq.

    2) Great link .. which you seem not to have read or didn't understand what you were reading .. but no worries.. lets go through it.

    First off.. a few strikes in Syria for political show do not count .. nor does it change the fact that the US was allied with the Islamic State throughout most of the war.

    Second - The Obama Administration is lying its face off during this time period - desperate to control the propaganda message. This is the time period when our Proxy army in Syria had gone off its leash into Iraq -- which was very inconvenient as detailed by Rand Paul in a link posted previously .. where he states directly that we were allied with ISIS in Syria but againt them in Iraq.

    The article is about supposed present and/ or future strikes on some by some "coalition of 40 nations" "The U.S. military actions also included strikes to disrupt plotting against the U.S. and our allies by the Khorasan Group -- seasoned al Qaeda operatives in Syria"

    Strange off the hop .. as who are our allies in the region this group is supposedly ploting against -- and how on earth would they know ?
    but on looking up who this group is .. all turns out to be one big fat lie .. part of Obama"s "Moderate Rebel lie" he started floating in 2014 when our support for ISIS went from covert to Overt.

    So Turns out this group was fake ..
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khorasan_group

    but the lies are just beginning ..

    The "Syrian Opposition" is the Islamic State .. so this is just a monstrous lie "How is arming ISIS a counter-weight to ISIS" ?
    The Truth in Obama's statement was that it truly was a massive coalition to arm - supply - support Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria. he lies in terms of minimizing the previous "Covert" support which was no longer Covert and had been open secret for quite some time already .. .

    Then there is the big Moderate Rebel lie which is inferred.

    The above is just pure nonsense .. as there never was such an effort until after Russia had liberated most of Syria from the Islamic State in 2017. The "Coalition" continued to arm support- supply the Islamic State for years after Obama's talk in Sept 2014. Sophisticated US technology the coalition provided to the 911 Terrorists group.

    Yeah .. so this right at the time when Obama is rolling out his preposterous "Moderate Rebel Lie" .. he then goes on a mission to find these "Moderates" .. which turns out to be a laugh and a half on steroids .. pure political show at the cost of 500 million

    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33997408

    Upon which they promtly turned their weapons over to the Islamic State. Even in the beginning when the opposition was hundreds of different Islamist Jihadist groups who had not yet coalesced .. there was no identifiable group of moderates doing any fighting . . never mind after these groups coalesced into IS - taking control of most of Syria.
     
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    But there is no "Islamic State in Iraq." It was the same group referred to as ISIS or ISIL. Of course you seem to group every group of Muslims under the title "Islamic State" which of course no one else does since it is wrong.
    So your retort consists of dismissing the attacks that you denied ever happened, saying that they "don't count", then just flat out calling everyone a liar.
     
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    Yes the Islamic State did go into Iraq. ISIL .. and ISIS are different names for the Islamic State. couldn't make sense out of the other gibberish.. but in Syria the Jihadist groups coalesced into the Islamic State in late 2013.

    first off ..saying they "don't count" is not saying they never happened -- already you try to misrepresent in a desperate dance of deflection and denial.

    Sorry to burst your necessary illusion bubble mate .. but I did not just call Obama a Liar .. I told you what the lie was .. the "Moderate Rebel Lie" used to fool the gullible and naive US public into thinking that Obama was supporting "The Good Guys" .. when in fact he was Arming ISIS and Al Qaeda -- The Rebel Opposition.

    No doubt you having trouble coming to grips with the fact that your beloved Obama-Biden team - along with a coalition of 40 nations armed and supported the 911 terrorist group .. used Al Qaeda and affilitated spawn as our proxy army in Syria .. an action which resulted in the deaths of over 400,000 - war crimes - crimes against humanity - genocide .. en mass.

    I have presented numerous links .. one containing the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" 13 bipartisan co-sponsors .. tabled to stop Obama from continuing to fund Al Qaeda and ISIS.. your claim that all these folks in congress were lying about such a thing .. is laughable nonsense on steroids .. you are just not accepting reality mate.

    I presented declassified Defence Intelligence Agency documents which mirror my claim .. guess those guys must be in on this big lie as well a lie maintained by a whole lot in Congress through 2017 .. Sure Buddy .. that makes perfect sense.

    Last but not least Biden himself admits to the Moderate Rebel lie .. quite the foot in mouth incident but hey .. its Biden. That you think Biden is involved in this big lie ..in some big conspiracy over 6 years - to Tar Obama as a supporter of Al Qaeda .. and himself at the same time .. is pure unadulterated nonsense.

    Here is an excellent link
    How America Armed Terrorists In Syria
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/
     
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    Because you get confused as to what you have said
    I didn't and I do
    Irrelevevant......who cares
    They were one of several factions against him and I knew that.....you don't seem to
    Um........we're all civilians
    Because that's what it is.
    You don't, that's why I don't have "failings"
    YOU are the one that's supposed to be proving that Biden is a war criminal and have yet to make any attempt at that because for some reason you're obsessed with (what you are) fact about the Syrian Civil War. In this regard, you have been an epic failure.
    I never denied that. I don't care, never did
    When we were involved with them
    Now that's an interesting statement. Foreign fighters for or against ISIS?
    You could call them that, but you would be wrong but being wrong hasn't stopped you so far
    Not true......but playing along, who was the leader of this "government" you say existed?
    ISIS was no more than a bunch of warlords that sometimes worked together, sometimes not. They had NO central government, NO booming economy etc, etc...
    I did know this and have no idea what you based that statement on
    And yet you continue the debate thinking you're proving Biden is a war criminal.....very odd.
    They MIGHT have taken about a third of Syria, hardly "almost all".
    The US was on the side that was opposing a regime that used chemical weapons against it's own people and was fast becoming a puppet of Russia/Iran. You tell me which side we should have been on......none is not an answer and if you think it is then tell me again who doesn't understand the subtlies of the situation.
    No, I don't have a clue and neither do you.
     
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    Apologies world. Our President is senile, but I think you all recognize that. Anyways, we do apologize for the crap that comes out of his mouth. Please do not take him seriously.
     
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    So you think because we are all civilians .. every war is a civil war by your definition. Thats complete nonsense but OK. .. does not change the fact that Biden is a war criminal..

    Then you claim "No attempt to prove claim" which you know is false .. but had it handed to you so badly - so resorting to mind twisting acts in desperate attempt to deflect .. away from the the fact that I proved Biden was war criminal. Tagged with complicity for Yemen by the ICC .. but his criminality is far worse in Syria .. Violating international law by arming an insurgency in a sovereign nation - an action which resulted in the death of 400,000 .. massive war crimes - crimes against humanity .. over a period of 6 years. Siding with an army of Islamist Extremists ... conducting these atrocities .. arming .. supporting .. supplying them.

    Yeah .. Biden's a war criminal .. far more guilty of Genocide that Putin

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    There were verious leaders of the Islamic State - and who cares what form of Gov't existed .. but they did have quite a booming economy .. but again who cares .. what does this have to do with Biden using these nut-jobs as his proxy army.


    You pretending to know something about the war in Syria now.. good that you did some research .. I said Every Major City (sans Demascus) - which is most of Syria. So tell us "Which Major City in Syria did the Islamic State not hold" ?

    You don't know that -- spoon fed propaganda to claim defacto that chemical weapons were used by Assad.
    U.N. has testimony that Syrian rebels used sarin gas: investigator
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-crisis-un-idUSBRE94409Z20130505

    Regardless - what does that have to do with Biden being a war criminal ?
     
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    (sigh) No, I don't.....that's just you being you. It's boring
    Yeah, you've said that but still have not given reason/proof of why.
    No, that's why I keep saying it
    Yeah......sure. You actually think you have won your points and you have done no such thing.
    Pretty sure the ICC tagged every party involved with the same. The US has never believed in the ICC
    That's funny. Before you said it was far worse in Yemen
    That is only your opinion
    (Yawn) Yeah, you said that
    Right......the guy that supported the other side and did FAR more against civilians in the Syrian Cival War
    Well.........I do, now that you mentiond it and you said they did......and now they didn't............tell me again how you think you "handed it to me".
    Stealing and selling oil isn't a "booming economy". It's theft.
    You tell me, you brought it up.....continously. Personally, I think you did it because you couldn't/can't/haven't proven your original point about Biden being a war criminal.
    No....you said "almost all" which is why I put it in quotes.
    You really aren't good at this
    I don't care. It has nothing to do with anything on the subject......but I have given my opinion on why you keep bringing this crap up.
    Right
    I don't know it because I have been "spoonfed propaganda" but YOU know the "true" facts. This is getting boring.
    You tell me, you brought it all up.
     
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    Talking tough and be damned the consequences is not a Biden thing. It is an American thing.
     
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    First you did claim that all war is civil war in saying "Cause there all civilians"
    Second you claim you have not been given proof that Biden is a War criminal - your just in denial..

    Obama-Biden armed/ supported the Terrorist group Al Qaeda-ISIS and others - with sophisticated US technology. to conduct war in a sovereign nation and overthrow the Assad Regime This group committed mass war crime over 6 years in the target Nation.

    That is war crimes .. same as Biden is accusing Putin Pot calling kettle black. .

    You were given 13 Bipartisan in Congress .. the Defense Intelligence Agency - Tulsi Gabbard who visited Syria Personally- Rand Paul making it 15 bipartisan in congress .. Virginia Senator Richard Black .. who visited Syria Personally .. along with Joe Biden .. all claiming what is written above in bold.

    What other proof do you need ? Tell us what would make you happy .. This is worse than a flat earther -- pure unadulterated denial of the obvious.

    I get that your necessary illusion bubble may have been popped here mate .. but this is no need to go into such depths of mind twisting denial of the obvious - to look good on an internet chat forum.

    Sorry mate .. we were on the side of the "Bad Guys" .. not only in Syria .. but many other enganglements over the last 40 years. Biden Tarred with Complicity in War Crimes for Yemen ... and the USA in general .. its a sorry list of atrocity .. albeit a long one.

    Not the path to enlightenment this denial of History .. denial of war atrocity. How about the Holocaust .. is there no proof of that either ?
     
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    WTF.....a laughable misinterpertation of what I said. It would piss me off but you do it so often I just figure it's "your move". Your go-to strawman argument.
    What I know it YOU think Biden is a war criminal. That's where Biden's accuser's ends....with you. To me, you don't matter.
    Like you, they are entitled to their opinion. That doesn't mean you're right. Out of 535 in Congress you have 13 that agree with you. So what. The DIA never said anything about war crimes.
    A Syian court or the UN finding the US guilty of war crimes
    Right......Assad is a "good guy".
    Of course, right. We (the US) are the devil.We are the "evil empire. The world would be so much better if the US didn't exist.
     
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    So many of you trump lovers now defending russia, Imagine that!
     
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    How does posting comments from the French President a translate into "Must be a Trump Lover" in your mind. Nothing like starting our with demonization fallacy .. always a sign of a competence .. No ? Yeah .. I didn't think so either

    Then we have the accusation "Russia Russia" - as of course all Trump lovers are Russian Spies in the minds of the "Competent" aye mate :)

    cept .. Biden being shunted to the back of room for dumb comments by Macron .. albeit comments about Russia - doesn't mean Macron is either a Trump lover or a Russian spy.

    Sorry mate .. This mind twisting fallacious peanut gallery gibberish .. surely you can do better !? .. and always remember .. My arguments against Trump are way better than yours :) ..
     
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    OK .. no worries .. then explain what you meant .. in context of the post you were responding to .. which was about Syria not being a civil war .. to which you responded "All are civilians"

    This should be a joke :) - but of course another diversion on your part .. desperate to run from the reality .. that Al Qaeda and ISIS were Biden's proxy army in Syria .. which makes him a War criminal .. on a scale far greater than your beloved Heir Putin .. but this does not excuse Putin .. so you may still have cause for concern.. as he should be put on Trial as well.
     
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    What's laughable is this post. This post is nothing more than a diverson. It has nothing to do with anything and is so far off the OP that it's sad.
     
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    It is you running from your demonstrably false claim that all war is civil war - that is the diversion -- followed by you denying your own claim - in quite the dance of diversion from the reality you are unable to deal with .. that your Beloved Biden is a war criminal .. a purveyor of genocide and atrocity .. and a traitor to the nation .. arming and supporting our Arch enemy Al Qaeda.

    It gonna be ok mate .. having that necessay illusion bubble popped hurts a little the first time .. but over time you will get used to it .. and some day might even enjoy it.
     
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    You can't take something I've never said and say that I am making a diversion. Find the post and show the quote where I said that. Trust me, I know and remember what I said......unlike you.
    You don't like Biden.....got it. Got it before, still got it.
    Your condesention is laughable given how often you have been wrong.
     
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    Member exactly what you said . you post where you said "all are civilians" and you explain what you meant .. given you have been claiming Syria was a civil war .. this being your defense. And that was without looking it up .. :)

    Eauuu ..very much dislike Biden - but that's irrelevant .. a desperate Ad Hom fallacy -- cause you can't handle the message.. That Biden is a War Criminal .. hands down .. far worse than anything Putin has done ..

    Whats to like about that .. not that this is my only reason for disliking Biden .. quite far down the list .. this one would be.. reasons to dislike Biden ..

    Big Fan I take it .. Big Blue - anyone will do as long as its Blue kind of thing .. and the condesention is well deserved .. engaging in mind twisting illogic and mind bending fallacy .. combined with a dose of denial of the obvious .. crushed by the one source you managed to provide .. Who was it again that this "Coalition" of 40 nations was arming, supplying, supporting in Syria ?

    Tell me who you Bro Biden was arming -- with sophisticated US technology - in an effort to turn Syria into Strict Sharia wonderland.

    So arming the 911 Terrorist Group "Al Qaeda" along with assorted spawn such as ISIS .. is the new "Patriotic" on the Blue side.

    Real proud.. Real proud ..
     
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    You can't even get a quote correct. That's not what I wrote.
    No, it's not. That was the point of your "war criminal" nonsense and calling him an embarassment
    Not hard to find. Google https://dod.defense.gov/OIR/
    The forces that were against the Russian/Iranian backed forces.
    So letting Russia and Iran back forces that we are fighting is OK? Not only do you dislike Biden you obviouly hate the US.
    I am a proud American. Are you? It would appear not........and I really don't care.
     
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    What a joke .. I said you said that you said "all are civilians" you said "were all civilians" and you are claiming to be misquoted .. in this desperate desperate to avoid the fact that you denied claiming all fighting in war are civilians .. desperate trying to pretend that Syria was a civil war .. and Yemen .. because all those fighting were civilians .. cause "were all civilians"

    Then you later deny that you said this .. realizing perhaps what a sack of nonsense is your claim .. in a desperate attempt to put forth the fantasy that Biden was arming "The Good Guys" in Syria.

    When asked "who were these anti assad forced" you respond with gibberish
    Yeah mate . we know the Anti Assad forces were the Anti Assad forces. Just laughable how desperate you are to avoid the reality that the Anti Assad forces were Islamist Jihadists ..

    YOu then cry "Many different factions" which is a joke .. as they were either under Al Qaeda or ISIS

    Your in denial mate.. Those folks want to promote as the Good Guys .. were Al Qaeda- ISIS .. you laughably claim "Other Factions"

    Give one city in Syria other than Assad controlled - controlled by this fantasy "Other Faction"

    Sorry mate .. Guilty is Biden .. 400,000 dead .. war crimes , crimes against humanity .. committed by his little proxy army .. the Islamic State.

    Can't get away from that one mate .. the Islamic State was Biden's Proxy army ..
     
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    Joke's on you if you don't know what a quote is......and you don't.
    Not a fantasy, it's a fact thay we armed the side against Assad. You said they were the "Good guys" not me, all I said is they were against Assad, Russia and Iran.
    I answered with a fact. If facts are "gibberish" to you that's a poor reflection on you......but then you haven't really displayed well in this whole thing
    :deadhorse:
     

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