Major Jewish Group ‘Appalled’ by Russian Bishop’s Blood Libel Accusation

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    Here's an interesting article that was published yesterday in the jewish newspaper The Algemeiner:
    https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/11/...ed-by-russian-bishops-blood-libel-accusation/

    According to the jew Benjamin Kerstein, who wrote this article, the claim that jews were behind communism is an "antisemitic" conspiracy theory, but is he really right? Let's look at the facts. Communism was created by a jew, Karl Marx, and jews were overrepresented in the upper echelon of communist regimes in Eastern Europe, and some of these jews were responsible for some of communism's worst atrocities, like, for instance, the Holodomor, a genocide in which 2 – 12 million (depending on who you ask) people were killed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

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    Note that the above article was written by a jew, and published on the well-known jewish news site Ynetnews.

    Also, some of the most ruthless communist dictators in Eastern Europe were jews, like Béla Kun, Mátyás Rákosi, Ernő Gerő and Rudolf Slánský, and this is one of the reasons why jews were so despised by Eastern Europeans.

    I have the following questions for my fellow PF members:

    1. Was it right or wrong of the Russian bishop to highlight the jews behind communism?

    2. Is the jew Benjamin Kerstein right when he dismisses talk about jewish influence in communism as "antisemitic" conspiracy theories?

    As always, all opinions are welcome.
     
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    According to the author of the following article, " 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin."(1) so I would have to say that the Russian bishop's statement is accurate.
    Your question, however was was it "right" to highlight the Jews behind Communism and that would depend on his motive which seems innocent enough.

    Your second question has to do with Kerstein's dismissing facts as "anti Semitic". No, the facts are not anti Semitic they are simply the truth.

    The following author concurs with the "facts are facts" school of thought. I one is to trumpet Jewish successes and dwell on Jewish victimhood, I see nothing wrong with those who supplement successes with failings and victimhood with victimizing.

    "Stalin's Jews"

    "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html



    EXCERPT "In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.



    Dr. Halfin described the waves of soviet terror as a "carnival of mass murder," "fantasy of purges", and "essianism of evil." Turns out that Jews too, when they become captivated by messianic ideology, can become great murderers, among the greatest known by modern history.



    I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.



    Even if we deny it, we cannot escape the Jewishness of "our hangmen," who served the Red Terror with loyalty and dedication from its establishment. After all, others will always remind us of their origin." CONTINUED





     
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    Thank you for your great post, Grau. Of course you're right.
     
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    Here are more prominent jewish communists:

    Romania:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandru_Dobrogeanu-Gherea

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_Bancic

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Pauker

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Lichtblau

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Goldstein

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghi%C5%A3%C4%83_Moscu

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghizela_Vass

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonte_Tism%C4%83neanu

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valter_Roman

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihail_Roller

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonte_R%C4%83utu

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandru_Iacob_(communist)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandru_Nicolschi

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gheorghe_Gaston_Marin

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasile_Luca

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iosif_Chi%C5%9Finevschi

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simion_Bughici

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silviu_Brucan

    Hungary:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Luk%C3%A1cs

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9la_V%C3%A1g%C3%B3

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9la_Sz%C3%A1nt%C3%B3

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jen%C5%91_Landler

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le%C3%B3_Frankel

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jen%C5%91_Hamburger

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Etefan_Fori%C5%9F

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pepper

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibor_Szamuely

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istv%C3%A1n_Ries

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3_H%C3%A1y

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A1bor_P%C3%A9ter

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ern%C5%91_Ger%C5%91

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mih%C3%A1ly_Farkas

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gy%C3%B6rgy_Acz%C3%A9l

    Poland:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawe%C5%82_Finder

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gershon_Dua-Bogen

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feliks_Kon

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maksymilian_Horwitz

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakub_Berman

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Berman

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Staszewski

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Józef_Różański

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Michnik

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilary_Minc

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerzy_Borejsza

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Woli%C5%84ska-Brus

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Humer

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boles%C5%82aw_Gebert

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanis%C5%82aw_Flato

    And there are many, many more examples.
     
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    Seems the author of the article is getting carried away with his own fantasies.

    From what I read, the bishop said that they have looked into every aspect of the murder of the Romonov's except one. And that there might have been a segment of Jews within the Bolsheviks that followed a Kaballah blood libel.

    I don't think so though. The Tsar was still held in awe by the majority of the Russian people, and when the Czech army was near Ekaterinaburg the Bolshevik's became fearful, so Lenin had them killed ... and all the Romonov's as well. Many were thrown down a mine with Saint Elizabeth, who was Alexandra's sister and married to the Tsar's brother who was killed by a terrorist.
     
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    Marx did not "create" anything. He was a thinker and a writer who did not like the old economic order and saw a need for change. The Communism that was supposedly based on his ideas was not his creation, but the creation of other people seeking to form new governments based on new ideas, especially ideas about class warfare and a more equal society in the industrial age. That it was corrupted and led to dictatorial regimes is also no fault of Marx, nor for that matter of Jews in particular. Indeed, Russia was not ruled by Jews. The monarchists were not fought and beaten in the Russian civil war by Jews, but by Russians who wanted to overthrow the monarchy and the old way of organizing society. Similar upheavals were taking place elsewhere, with other forms of government arising as a result. Naturally Jews were a part of this, but only a part. They do not deserve to be singled out for this and accused of grandiose conspiracies.
     
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    Sever Plocker, who wrote the following excellent piece for the jewish news site Ynetnews, seems to disagree with you:
     
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    And I should care about what Sever Plocker wrote why, exactly?
     
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    Because he's right? In my OP, I wrote that "jews were overrepresented in the upper echelon of communist regimes in Eastern Europe, and some of these jews were responsible for some of communism's worst atrocities..."

    I gave you the names of some of these jewish dictators/mass murderers, but if you wish to ignore or minimize that, then that is your right.
     
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    Haven't looked, but let's say there were Jews in high places who bear responsibility. So what? Why did people go along with that? And what about the many, many non-Jews in the upper echelons? Again, why are you obsessing over Jews in particular?
     
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    So it should be noted that it is a mostly Jewish dominated thing. What's the problem with that?
    Seems Jews of today want to whitewash their history. Now what's up with that?
     
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    What on earth do Jews today have to answer for? Being Jewish doesn't make them guilty by association.
     
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    Nothing. Hence it's weird they got a problem with it, now is it?
    Seems they just like to rewrite their history to make it look like their ethnicity never did anything horrible for the sake of ethnic pride.
     
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    no its because there are those that actually think their ethnicity is the motivation for their political ideology and actions.

    NOt that you can discern the difference.
     
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    Could very well be. Than again... why not look into it, and come to a conclusion.
    So far it's that Jewish community that has a problem in historic research.
    And that has to do with their ethnic pride.
     
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    Interestingly, Guno (of all people!) posted the proof right here:
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikhon_(Shevkunov)
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    that's bullcrap.

    there are all kinds of books written by jewish historians and political scientists about russian jewish history. NObody denies that there were a number of atheist russian jews amongst the bolsheviks.

    and most of those people who don't deny that fact, also don't make the idiot bigoted claim that communism is a jewish plot. Just another step in the protocols.

    You do like to kid yourself.
     
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