Major Study Finds Masks Don’t Reduce COVID-19 Infection Rates <<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. 557

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    No sir. You made the claim 3M masks are what Fauci references and what South Koreans wore. You provide the evidence. Then specify what 3M mask. There are dozens.

    I’ve provided time stamp data of the interview in question you claim I’ve never seen. Now you back up your claims. Go...
     
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    That is correct. I’ve never told anyone not to wear a mask. I also recommend masks to more people and their usage in more places than any PF member. Absolutely. Thanks for the bump.
     
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    Just laughing at the rubbish you wrote! "I’m on record at PF as being the most pro mask member. I recommend masks to more people and usage in more places than anyone here. " LOL. Which record is that, was there a poll?
     
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    There doesn’t need to be a poll. I’m the only one who’s consistently recommended mask usage in the home, where the overwhelming preponderance of evidence shows they can prevent the most infections.
     
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    Go figure.

    Fauci may have been motivated to help when he fibbed about masks, but I think we (and he) would have been better served by telling the whole truth.

    I've been in political fights where I called the shots about public statements and I always told the truth, all of it. There was often pressure from within the organizations to at the very least tell half-truths, so I can see how Fauci might have been led by pressure and circumstance to lie.
     
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    Just to make sure. Is this the quote you have been talking about?

    LaPook, March 8: There’s a lot of confusion among people, and misinformation, surrounding face masks. Can you discuss that?

    Fauci: The masks are important for someone who’s infected to prevent them from infecting someone else… Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks.

    LaPook: You’re sure of it? Because people are listening really closely to this.

    Fauci: …There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.

    LaPook: And can you get some schmutz, sort of staying inside there?

    Fauci: Of course, of course. But, when you think masks, you should think of health care providers needing them and people who are ill. The people who, when you look at the films of foreign countries and you see 85% of the people wearing masks — that’s fine, that’s fine. I’m not against it. If you want to do it, that’s fine.

    LaPook: But it can lead to a shortage of masks?

    Fauci: Exactly, that’s the point. It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it.

    Outdated Fauci Video on Face Masks Shared Out of Context - FactCheck.org

    If that isn't it can you post a link and a quote from it?
     
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    That’s the 60 Minutes Overtime segment that aired March 8 that I have quoted from. There is some dispute about when it was taped. When CBS references the content they say things like “Fauci told CBS in March” etc. so I believe it was taped in March relatively close to airing. CBS could be lying about the March bit, but I don’t know. Anyway even if it was taped in February it changes nothing because a mask recommendation would have been appropriate in either time period. The earlier the better.

    Here is a link to the Nora O’Donnell interview from July I’ve quoted from as well.
    https://www.instyle.com/news/dr-fauci-says-with-all-due-modesty-i-think-im-pretty-effective

    The irony in the O’Donnell interview above is thick. Proceed with caution. :)
     
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    And for completion ( as far as i am aware that there are no other references): February 17th:
    Q. What’s the status of the COVID-19 outbreak?

    A. China is in very difficult straits. We have now over 70,000 cases there and (nearly 1,800) deaths. The rest of the world has about 30 countries that have a total of about 500 cases and three deaths. We only have 15 cases in the United States, 13 of which are travel, two of which are spouses of the travelers. As of Monday morning, we now have 14 additional ones, because we flew in the people from the (Diamond Princess) cruise ship.

    Q. We see everyone walking around in masks. Do they work?

    A. A mask is much more appropriate for someone who is infected and you're trying to prevent them from infecting other people than it is in protecting you against infection. If you look at the masks that you buy in a drug store, the leakage around that doesn't really do much to protect you. And for example, people start saying, should I start wearing a mask? Now, in the United States, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask.

    Q. Can you catch COVID-19 from someone who doesn’t have symptoms?

    A. In respiratory-borne illnesses, the driver of outbreaks are usually the people who have symptoms. I'm sick. I'm in the subway. I sneeze on you. I cough on you. There is asymptomatic transmission in other infections. The extent to which that is impacting the coronavirus epidemic, we don't know. But we're having early case reports which are now making it pretty clear that some degree of asymptomatic transmission occurs.


    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opini...know-dr-anthony-fauci-q-a-opinion/4790996002/
     
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    Well I don't know about anyone else, but I voting not guilty. :)
     
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    Some people prefer to implement mitigation before mass infections and deaths, some prefer to wait until the inevitable infections and deaths skyrocket before belated attempts at slowing the tidal wave are made.

    I don’t know if you saw this from the 60 Minutes interview. Of course, shockingly, it’s not referenced in any “fact check” or media apology for Fauci’s lies.


    There were real consequences to Fauci’s lie that linger today. There are many people still who doubt the legitimate advice he does give because of the lies he told in that interview. Honesty is always the best path.


    Did you read the full O’Donnell interview? I’d like your opinion on the story of how Fauci met his wife, her occupation, and how it relates to this subject we’re discussing.
     
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    I did read it.. Touching. Especially the story about Pedro.
     
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    Thanks for your input. The whole thing makes me sad. So much preventable death and all that matters to many is feelings.
     
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    Indeed. I made the reference. Fauci did not. YOU accused Fauci he made a 3M reference, while I endlessly told you he was only speaking about the masks that they wear in China and South Korea. And any idiot who looks at a random picture of masks wearers in China / South Korea pre corona pandemic spots those are 3M masks. You're hoples.

    You never watched the 60 minutes interview he gave in March. I already posted the vid of it. It's like 3 minutes long, and at the end... and I've said this so often before... he says it's the POINT that only health care workers and the sick must only have them .. because there is a shortage.

    And your entire argument that he has lied, is based on excluding that.
    I've said this like 10 times now.
    Not going to timestamp anything


    You either respond now that he indeed said it, and hence he did not make any lies but just gave the advise based on reality,
    and that Donald failed to get it all under control and provide the public the missing billions of masks -like they did in South Korea-.
    or you can just drag yourself into a fake Trump alternative reality that he didn't say that.
     
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    I’ve quoted word for word what Fauci said. Several things he said are not factual and he knew they weren’t factual. That means he lied. Yes there was a mask shortage. Today there is a vaccine shortage. If I tell you there’s no reason for anyone in the US to get a COVID vaccination, that statement is a lie.

    The reality is that Fauci’s lie cost thousands of lives initially and costs lives to this day because he made millions lose trust in advice on COVID mitigations.

    It’s time for you to face the reality that a lie is a false statement made with knowledge it’s false. It doesn’t matter if you think a lie is helpful in some way or not. It’s still a lie. Thanks for being such a great example of the type of individual that wants to be lied to. Just like some Trump supporters you criticize. You just want to be lied to by Fauci instead of Trump. I think you are all nuts. Only the truth will do for me.
     
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    Masks are unnecessary and do not stop the spread of viruses. Their pores are far too large and viruses are far too small.
     
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    Very patiently. This has been said several times but I'm sure you've missed it. The virus travels in water droplets the vast majority of those droplets do get stopped by a mask.
    Secondly, on top of your immune system your body contains cells that clean the blood these mop up foreign cells all the time for this reason you're unlikely to become infected by a few virus., but very likely to become ill if you ingest a lot.
     
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    Yes, I've been very patient with science, mathematics, and engineering deniers...

    No, I've heard it countless times, actually. It is still as incorrect now as it was then...

    ** Viruses do not solely travel via droplet nor are they forever-bound to a droplet. (they are in the air, everywhere)
    ** Droplets evaporate, leaving the virus in the air on its own.

    One's immune system is what stops viruses, not a mask or staying six feet away from other people, or shutting down businesses/economies...
     
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    The immune system really worked well fighting the Spanish Flu! I trust that you refuse all antibitics too?
     
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    Oh dear I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but I suspected different.


    You are wrong.


    Very few things ever do solely one thing, so we speak generally for the majority. But for your pedantry. The vast majority of the virus leaves the human body in water droplets.
    The water does not evaporate leaving the virus hanging in the air, that is pure fantasy.


    Utter rubbish. Your immune system does not recognise the danger of the virus in time which is why you fall ill and sometimes die.
    And the reason the vaccine works by prepping your body to recognise the virus earlier.
    Why would you want to talk such utter bilge? I just don't get what you gain from making yourself look daft.
     
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    Insulting my intelligence is not forming an argument.
     
  21. Tigger2

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    I wasn't forming an argument. There is no argument here. You are wrong in everything you said and then got all haughty when I pointed it out.
     
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    Saying "you're wrong" with no counterargument is not a valid argument... It is just an argument of the stone fallacy...
     
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    Again. I'm not arguing with you. I took the time to explain why and you waffled about deniers.
    You are so wrong there is no argument to be had.
    Why don't you have a look around google and see for yourself.
     
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    But they are excellent tools to really damage the psyche of youngsters forced to wear them by frightened adults.
     
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    My kids would have been intelligent enough to understand.
     
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