Majority Of Americans Support Single Payer

Only if you believe CBO projections which are historically highly innaccurate. But from their report
"Much of the reduction in the number of people who have health coverage next year would result from the bill's proposed repeal of Obamacare's individual mandate, which requires most Americans to have insurance of some form or face a tax penalty."
They wouldn't lose coverage, they would choose not to pay for it.
What is fundimentally flawed here is that this only pertains the what would have been the first phase of the bill not the remaining two which would have addressed those issues. And let's not forget Obamacare was to bring 40 million into health insurance and they have barely managed 12 million. It doesn't work and it is doomed to fail. Start talking about the REAL cost of a single payer system and watch the support fall when all those who think it will be free health care and don't pay income taxes now have to start paying.

 

Which single payer system? Veterans Administration Hospitals or Medicare?

 

I cannot disagree, it will not work because of overwhelming corruption. And the reality is that private corporations, in one way or another, are paying to public servants.

No one can present any meaningful theory and explain why the system that is working for major consumers of medical services will not work for the rest of population.
The current dual economic system is definitely something that is absolutely illegal, because providers of medical services can pits public insurers against private insurances and that way to negotiate higher prices.

With fixed rates of the single payer medical providers will not have that option anymore. All they can do is just to open private office and refuse to accept medicare.

But the government, can simply issue more physician licenses, buy more drugs and allow production of more medical equipment. That will be a checkmate that going to crash felonious medical cartel.

By the way, if you are so informed in the details you probably a beneficiary of the current system.

 

The government doesn't issue physician's licenses.

 

Unfortunately more than 57% of congress doesn't want it. Both parties are firmly in the pocket of insurance companies.

 

You got that right, friend. Insurance companies need to be pushed out of healthcare.. Let them insure housing, cars, lives and everything else. They don't contribute a thing to healthcare.

 

Hence the problem, Mr. Mike.
They all get tons of money from the health care industry & big pharma.
I wonder why that happens?

 

I agree they probably do--until it comes time to pay for it. Single payer is a nice idea, but you have to tax everybody--not just the rich--to fund it. That's what European countries do.

 

Ask how much big pharma and insurance companies contributed to Trump's campaign. These guys contribute to both sides.

 

We already have single payer private delivery in Medicare.. and its successful. 87% of it is funded by 2.9 % payroll tax.

When you talk about Europeans.. you should realize that there is more than one single payer model.

For instance the VA is another single payer model and its the most expensive healthcare in America.

 

Agreed. Spot on.

 

Dunno, but the point is that you said no insurance firms paid off Obama. They may well have paid off Trump, but no one claimed they didn't.

In other words, just pointing out you were wrong.

 

Who issue the licenses, private corporations?

The state government issues the license to the doctor that have secured training position in the special hospital.
The special hospital in order to be a special it should be approved by private medical organization.
That position in that special hospital can be created only if U.S. Congress provide funds for that position from the Medicare resources.
I guess there are some ways to create that position without congress, but congress can reduce number of positions next year.
Effectively U.S. congress control number of licenses and subsequently number of doctors.
Since congress is corrupt they follow the orders of private medical corporations and issue as many licenses as Medical Cartel wants.

 

what is wrong with extra tax?
It is way better then to pay $1000 for insurance that covers nothing.

 

That definitely wasn't the case during the time period I mentioned, so I can only assume you're referring to a source with recent data you want to share?

The VA generally costed less in the late 90s to early 2000s:

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/49763

This conservative analysis is flawed:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/02/report-va-health-care-has-highest-adjusted-costs-in-nation/

Because it compares costs per patient, which is idiotic because va patients are sicker for various reasons. They are more likely to smoke, drink, be physically disabled, be homeless, etc. A better comparison would use services rendered, but even then sicker patients are more expensive to do the same procedure on.

 

So you think that campaign contributions are paying off an individual.

 

Doctors get their license to practice in a given state by the State LLR board. Congress has NEVER reduced positions. LOLOL

In fact 26% of physicians practicing in the US are FMGs. There is NO doctor shortage.. There are distribution problems.

Congress doesn't issue medical licenses.

Teaching hospitals have residency programs.

 

How can we go from obamacare that had abysmal public support to most people want single payer? Either most people are too stupid to understand single payer, or someone is making up numbers behind the curtain.

 

VA healthcare has always been more expensive.. and illnesses such as depression, alcoholism, pneumonia are coded the same whether civilian or veteran.

The VA is a single payer system that doesn't work as well as private delivery.

This may help.

The VA actually spends just $4,557 per patient — but that doesn’t include the additional coverage that veterans seek. When adjusted to assume total reliance on VHA care, the VA’s total spending per enrollee is $12,658 per person, according to 2006 data — 80 percent higher than the total national average, according to the report. The disparity has led some supporters to claim that the VHA has lower health-care costs than the similar Medicare single-payer .........

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/02/report-va-health-care-has-highest-adjusted-costs-in-nation/#ixzz4ciQBwY1q

 

The VHA spends 80 percent more per patient than the national average, according to the AAF report. The average per-capita health spending for the country as a whole is just $7,025.

AAF is quick to note that this is not necessarily due to the cost-efficiency of the single-payer system, given significant differences in the health of the VHA population. For one, VHA patients are older on average than the general public, with an average age of 63 (while they’re younger on average than Medicare patients), and more likely to carry costly age-related diseases.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/02/report-va-health-care-has-highest-adjusted-costs-in-nation/#ixzz4ciRFnxhJ

 

Obamacare was a temporary fix that didn't tackle the insurance companies.

 

Thank you for confirming the facts.
To get a license a doctor have to secure a residency position.
No LLR board will issue the license unless applicant is hired by the hospital.

The residency position can be only created in teaching hospital.
Only medical cartel decides what hospital can teach, similar to how OPEC decides what amount of oil to produce.
Realisicly, the position can only be created if teaching hospital get a fund from Medicare resource.
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...-programs-are-funded-2011jul09-htmlstory.html

Congress did not reduce positions but kept them at the same level, while population grows, that caused supply/demand ratio to go down significantly, i.e. net effect is a reduction.
Here is evidence https://www.aamc.org/advocacy/gme/71178/gme_gme0012.html
Reduction in supply/demand ratio induced unsustainable deficit, that have increases cost.

I thought the principles of economics are simple.
It is not up to the government or medical cartel to decide whether we have shortage or not, the government job is to allow as many doctors as possible on the market.

 

Because democrats are the same as republicans they live of the paycheck from insurance corporations.

 

Obama was elected because people wanted a single payer. Unfortunately he did not deliver because of the congress corruption.
Currently, a single payer is the only viable option.

 

You mean individuals have insurance company stock or the insurance companies pay their salaries???????????